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Numbers up for Salem FD calls

January 13, 2013

SALEM — City firefighters responded to a lot more fires and other calls in 2012, with a 57 percent overall increase in the number of structure fires, including two arsons....

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WatchDog

Jan-13-13 11:24 AM

The question is why are they working so hard to drive up these statistics? 30 percent of this at best is just mismanagement and tax dollar waste.

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ts1227

Jan-13-13 1:56 PM

Where's your proof? They came with hard numbers, you came with a conspiracy theory.

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KsBug79

Jan-14-13 8:59 AM

notSocialist - hope you never need an ambulance. You'll wait anywhere from 12 - 20 mins. If the first company called arrives at all. You'll be glad the First Responders were on the scene to save your life!!

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WatchDog

Jan-14-13 2:39 PM

There it is...the fear tactics! Nice job Ksbug!

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WatchDog

Jan-14-13 2:57 PM

"You'll wait anywhere from 12 - 20 mins."

OH REALLY? I want to see those statistics. And if it is happening...it is because the Salem Fire Department is giving them their excuse to do it and still get paid for transporting. Get awake.

The Salem FD wants to be a jack of all trades and a master at none. That list contains many issues where they have assumed jobs and duties of other entities and is so obvious it stinks. Chasing after these ambulances alone. Look at how much fuel they waste in that effort alone and to top it off the unnecessary wear and tear on those trucks and equipment. It is ridiculous.

They are blatantly wasting tax dollars. There is a lot of issues that need to be addressed and unfortunately we have a useless city council that let's Houghs blow smoke up their rear ends.

Exactly why we have a weak police department and crime growing out of control and taxpayers carrying the blunt of that mismanagement.

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WatchDog

Jan-14-13 3:24 PM

Come on, seriously, getting a bat out of a home. You got to be kidding me? That is the responsibility of the homeowner or animal control.

Putting up flag poles? Did they charge? No and I'll remember that the next time I need to replace out my dusk to dawn bulb on my telephone pole. Maybe they can help me wash a few windows? I'll make dang sure the next time I have a tree branch threatening to drop, I'll call the FD and they can bring out "MY" ladder truck and help me take care of it. They have already set a precedent and they had better not discriminate against anyone living in this city.

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WatchDog

Jan-14-13 3:25 PM

This is living proof why Insurance rates are sky high in Salem.

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ladybug

Jan-15-13 11:06 AM

Sad. Complain about somethinmg you know nothing about.

The first responder : evaluates,gets vitals and most importantly stabilizes pt.( shock,bleeding and breathing ) If this can cut 5 to 10 min. off the process can make a big difference in a medical emergency

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ladybug

Jan-15-13 11:09 AM

Almost every fire dept in the area.Paid or Volunteer provide first responder serv, and alot transport.

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ladybug

Jan-15-13 11:21 AM

Ins. rates sky high.

Wrong again. Salem being paid ,with hydrants should provide the best rates .

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KsBug79

Jan-15-13 11:21 AM

NotSocialist - investigate where at any time of the day or night the ambulances that are supposed to provide service to this city are actually located. Probably Sebring, or Lisbon, because they are covering all of the northern county. If you have a heart attack and call 911, the dispatcher calls out the first responders, and the ambulance company "on call" for that week. If the ambulance is in Sebring, you.are.going.to.die. that is if Watchdog has his way!! Really, if you want to know how it works, go to the fire dept. and ask. Don't wait for a loved one who is bleeding by the roadway from an auto accident to get an ambulance. They'll be there, eventually. But not before death or irreversible damage. Ask ANY cashier at Wal-Mart how many times the FD has saved the life of a customer because the ambulance didn't arrive for 20 mins.!! Forget Watchdog. It's obvious he's a cop that has a hardon for the FD. He brings it every time they are mentioned. Go to the FD and ask.

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KsBug79

Jan-15-13 11:27 AM

NonSocialist - the problem with the duplication effort - the FD should have an ambulance in the dept. Then citizens would not have to pay the sky high rates the private companies charge. The private companies are in business to make money, obviously. The FD is in business to serve the citizens. It seems simple doesn't it? Yet we can't have "bigger government" OH NO!! That would be bad. Saving the citizens money, not to mention their lives, would be bad!! The duplication effort is to SAVE LIVES!

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ladybug

Jan-15-13 11:31 AM

Master of nothing.That takes alot of -----.

The fire service is the 3rd most stressful job in America

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ladybug

Jan-15-13 12:35 PM

I wasn't addressing u. Like wise.

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WatchDog

Jan-15-13 6:27 PM

"If the ambulance is in Sebring, you.are.going.to.die. that is if Watchdog has his way!!"

SHE SHE SHE, not he...goodness! If I had my way this city would be saving a lot money. And that F.D. wouldn't have to be scratching the bottom of a barrel begging for money, driving up statistics to justify their existence and picking up half the duties they should not even be carrying.

NO I am not a cop. Just a person with enough common sense that knows, a police department is the back bone of success to any city. Take a look at the makeup of this community, we don't get it under control and cleaned up those boys at that FD will be busy.

And please knock off the drama queen routine. I didn't say they can't roll out of emergencies, I am saying this crap and them chasing after an ambulance because somebody calls for a transport to a hospital or care center...there butts don't need to rolling out those units. That is just a waste of tax dollars.

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WatchDog

Jan-15-13 6:45 PM

If the Salem FD is pushing for their own ambulance service to get a piece of that pie the medical profession has created...it isn't going to happen. The liability on the city would be huge. Good lord, when are you people going to start facing the music...they are public servants...they have to be non-profit organizations.

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WatchDog

Jan-15-13 7:31 PM

Ksbug stop blowing smoke. These statistics are being driven up to raise their class rating. The effectiveness of their jobs are based on it.

They are playing a dangerous game with the PPC. Insurance companies thrive on those ratings. What these boys are doing is driving up insurance rates and diminishing property values. The most destructive thing that can happen to a small community. These boys and these statistic drives are not helping Salem resident homeowners. And I got news for you, the more the crime in this area goes on the rise and the statistics at that fire department grows is not doing the city of Salem any favors.

Well guess what? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out this divide between police and fire. If that police department was turned loose and started wiping out the crime and drugs in this city and changing the makeup of this community, those boys at the Fire department know dang well those statistics are going to drop.

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concerned

Jan-16-13 6:22 AM

The question is not who is more important the police or the fire dept. They are both very important. The real question is the current structure of the fire dept. the most economical and best fit for Salem. Does any other area the size of Salem require 4 full time firemen on duty 24/7? I think we have to seriously ask ourselves that question. If we looked at other areas, I think we would fine that there are very few areas with the population of Salem that has that many full time firemen. I think we would find that areas Salem's size probably have a combination full time/ part time /volunteer dept. the only ones that do have that many full timers has a strong union presence

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concerned

Jan-16-13 6:38 AM

ladybug says: " Wrong again. Salem being paid ,with hydrants should provide the best rates" Partially true ladybug. Fire hydrants do play a big roll in the ISO protection class rating. However whether a dept. is full time, part time or volunteer is not a factor. The qualification of those firemen are but not employment status. Case in point. Salem is a PC 5, Perry twp., if there are hydrants within a 1000 feet. is also a PC 5. there are even 100 % volunteer depts. with better ratings than than Salem. Why? Because they have better equipment and other factors, but having full time paid firement is not one of the factors that goes into the ISO ratings. And the ISO ratings is one of the biggest factors for determining your insurance rates.

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Kozy62

Jan-16-13 10:33 AM

12 to 20 minutes? Is that true?

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Kozy62

Jan-16-13 2:22 PM

I know this is a different area but have to share this...at one of the busiest intersections at 8am...there was a man off the side of the road (20 feet) waving his hands to the folks around him to let him alone...

There were two motorcycle city police, four city patrol cars, an EMT vehicle and a fire truck. They were blocking an entrance lane and two of three thru lanes. I wonder if anyone else needed help? The traffic was backed up for almost two miles.

Just seemed funny to me.

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WatchDog

Jan-16-13 2:51 PM

Kozy asks "12 to 20 minutes? Is that true?"

Guess we would have to see the statistics. Prior to and after the Salem FD decided they needed to ambulance chase. If it is true, then I blame the Salem Fire Department for giving these ambulance services the excuse to take their good old time getting there because they know the FD is going to be on the scene driving up their personal agenda statistics.

I see it as a FD interfering and manipulating a service I have to pay for out of my own pocket and a system that is blatantly wasting tax dollars.

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WatchDog

Jan-16-13 3:24 PM

....(how much clearer does all of this have to be)....Berlins says "....and the end of a grant paying for the salaries of two firefighters, all contributing to the shortage."

People if you haven't figured this all out yet then you never will. It is right before your eyes...as taxpayers.

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WatchDog

Jan-16-13 4:38 PM

Concerned, my dear, I disagree with this.

"If we looked at other areas, I think we would fine that there are very few areas with the population of Salem that has that many full time firemen." Population doesn't mean squat. That is not the question because I can guarantee you this, if we did base it on that...then the FD is "understaffed".

There are only three factors that challenge our need for our FD and staffing levels and their overall rating specifically pertaining to the ISO and how they grade them in their effectiveness especially when it affects overall insurance rates.

All that nuisance junk in that article doesn't count and that statement Houghs made about them earning their money...is just a bargaining chip.

If you think all this nonsense in this article is going to get them a better class rating it isn't going to happen. First, the Salem Fire Department will never see a class one rating. There isn't but maybe 50 FD in the whole USA that has th

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WatchDog

Jan-16-13 4:50 PM

...that rating. That rating will never happen anytime soon in Salem.

If I am wrong on this then the boys at the FD can jump in here and correct me. 40 percent of their overall grade is based on our local water supply. Believe you me that factor works against them and not their fault.

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