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TAC members propose $2M downtown plan

SALEM

February 20, 2013

The Downtown Salem Technical Advisory Committee presented its plan to the Committee of the Whole of City Council Tuesday night, asking council to take several actions related to buildings, parking,......

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WatchDog

Feb-20-13 6:16 AM

Hahahahahahahhahhhhahahahhahhhhhhha....letme know when the lynching starts so I can bring the cheerleading squad!!!

$50.00 per resident? PER RESIDENT?

Let me see if I understand this blooming idiot. As in an example: "He wants a single mom in Salem, struggling with this economy and trying to raise 4 kids to cough up not only her average 1% income tax at $150.00 a year but an extra $250 on top of that at the end of the year for two years to pay for downtown business owners neglect of their buildings???

As another example: Cahill also wants other small business owners scattered all over Salem struggling to keep their heads above water with their own business and the inflicted Obama tax hikes, to ask their personal family's to fund Cahill's downtown dream scheme that discriminates against them as city business owners.

Cahill you fool, when the city residents find out about this as it spreads ...NOBODY will have one ounce of respect left for you and your plan is doomed

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STofit

Feb-20-13 7:24 AM

The business that thrives is out of the downtown area. Towns have been driving business away for years with their parking meters and taxes, then most of the time they annex areas that have developed that are outside of town in order to keep the tax base. Why do we waste time and money on plans that we know won't work to begin with. Kind of like the brick cross walks that cost the city twice, once in, and once out, but then again, somebody's brother was probably a brick layer. Old buildings in disrepair need to be removed for public safety. In the long run the tax payers will be stuck with this cost, it is unavoidable, but survival rates of new business is below 50 percent, and even lower when these businesses are established downtown.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 8:39 AM

Well i have to asgree with Salem residents on this one..

Why should residents be exspected to pick up the tab for something the property owner should be doing.

Just like the bricks and fancy lights really accomplished nothing .

Look at TanFastic, This scene has been going on for over what 2 yrs, now,I guess when it finally falls on someone

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GrantMingus

Feb-20-13 9:10 AM

First of all, ladybug, you're insinuating something about TanFastic when you clearly have zero knowledge of what is going on there.

As far as the plan, I love it. I've always wanted to see some serious money invested downtown (and not in brick sidewalks). However, I don't like the idea of a new tax, even for a year or two. That definitely has to go on a ballot for the people to decide--I would vote for it, because I honestly wouldn't mind paying it. But that is money that a decent amount of people in this town can't afford to lose and their families have to come first. Arguments about tax payers footing a bill down the road anyways, because of deteriorating buildings, are valid.

One question that came to my mind instantly was, how much did the bricks cost for the sidewalk? Wasn't it 4 million or something--someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm really not sure. But I don't know that a few million is really going to make a difference downtown.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:14 AM

There you go again Grant .More mouth.

My opinion has nothing to do whats going on there,But the fact it's dragging out to long,

It's also becoming a safety hazard,

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GrantMingus

Feb-20-13 9:15 AM

I'm all for saving downtown, I think it's very important. Mr. Cahill presents many valid claims and has clearly put a lot of work into this. It's nothing to laugh at, at least this man is actively trying to accomplish something to make his town better rather than just running his mouth. And nothing that he is proposing is THAT outlandish in my eyes, even the tax.

However, I do think that first and foremost the business owners downtown should be responsible before the people of Salem. BUT, the people have Salem have to start utilizing these businesses more often to generate some cash flow for them to actually reinvest. I would prefer that way of doing things, rather than forcing someone to pay a tax. That's probably a bigger dream than Mr. Cahill's plan though.

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GrantMingus

Feb-20-13 9:15 AM

I agree it's dragged out too long, but you're insinuating that it's one side's fault when you OBVIOUSLY don't have the slightest clue what is going on there.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:17 AM

Where does the responsiblity of the proerty owner come in ?

It's like asking people to pay into a fund so i can make home repairs.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:19 AM

Again there is no mention of whose at fault, Your just reading what you want into it.

My understanding there's a little difference over who owns the wall in question ?

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:20 AM

Show me where i put blame anywhere,

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:24 AM

Someone made a point several weeks back it involved more than the public has been made aware of,

Don't know .So i'll stick with my comment.It's been to long and a solution needs to be found,

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GrantMingus

Feb-20-13 9:37 AM

Yes, that was me. I also told you that it's dragging out forever because that's the way our legal system operates and there are legalities here because someone was negligent and used their position to their unfair advantage.

"Why should residents be exspected to pick up the tab for something the property owner should be doing...

..Look at TanFastic, This scene has been going on for over what 2 yrs, now,I guess when it finally falls on someone"

You're insinuating that the property owner of the TanFastic building should be doing something and they aren't...in other words, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

And this is not like asking for a fund so you can do home repairs--your home has an impact in your neighborhood. Downtown impacts every citizen, either directly or indirectly, much like the schools do.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:44 AM

You now Grant your so full of ****.

I said something needs to be done.Niether parties name was mentioned because i don't know whose at fault

It's a goddam eye sore and needs resolved.

What is there attract people down town when s--- like this goes on forever.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:45 AM

Tan Fastic is the bldg in question.Someone or boths at fault.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:47 AM

I know one clue.Your like a lot of people .Blame Obama or try to insult the other party.

Won't work with me cause your just another opinion.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:49 AM

Down has no impact on anyone as long as they have other choices,

There are no choices down town but decaying bldg. and nothing most people don't need .

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:52 AM

Even the little town shows more growth and a better plan.

Look at the choice after you get past the east side mall.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:52 AM

Alliance Oh.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 9:53 AM

You'll most Salem residance in Boardman or Alliance.

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Cahill

Feb-20-13 9:55 AM

WatchDog: I do not require respect from fools or the uninformed. You hide behind a false name and snipe at the work of your neighbors. It is blatantly obvious that you never bothered to involve yourself in the work that those on the TAC undertook or to even inform yourself of what has transpired. I imagine you a powerless little man. Feel free to hide behind a false name and insult me as I do the things that others should have done so long ago to keep our City. 1 in 5 people in our City live in poverty. 1 in 4 children live in poverty. crime is rising exponentially. Jobs are not being created in Salem - they are being lost. Plants are closing. You don't understand even the most basic thing about taxation or the distribution of tax. It is a waste to enter an intellectual argument with someone so poorly prepared to defend himself.

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Truth101

Feb-20-13 10:01 AM

OUCH..............

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 10:04 AM

Well Mr.Cahill i wish you luck because you have a big mountain to climb.

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Cahill

Feb-20-13 10:05 AM

The TAC included about 50 people. They were a cross section of our population. They worked for four months, meeting every other week to draft a plan to save our City. If anyone has done the work, and they have a better plan, we would love to hear it .... I didn't think so. So lets move forward with the one that we have. There is no option to do nothing - we have done that - that is how we got here.

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Cahill

Feb-20-13 10:09 AM

I am not doing this. A large group of people are doing this. The plan that we put forth to council doesn't even resemble the plan that I had suggested.It is not really so hard - just do the right thing. I have absolutely no doubt that this will happen and that it will be successful.

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ladybug

Feb-20-13 10:10 AM

Most people in Salem are looking for the return of the horse/buggie and geryhound bus service,

It took them over30 yrs to finally build the community center "Now Look "

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