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Residents question project again

Second reading held on apartment complex

March 6, 2013

SALEM — Two rezoning ordinances related to the Salem Pointe apartment development on the city’s east side received their second readings Tuesday night, with one more reading required for city counci......

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concerned

Mar-15-13 9:37 AM

For those that don't know what NonSocialist's reference to "Agenda 21" is. Type that into your browser and read what comes up in Wikipedia and other articles about it. It is not something that he pulled out of his hat. It is a real agenda.

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concerned

Mar-14-13 10:39 PM

Do you enjoy watching Salem turn into a mini Youngstown or Warren???

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Beaumont

Mar-14-13 5:00 PM

Have you ever thought of having Salem made into a Gated City!!!

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concerned

Mar-14-13 2:41 PM

Baumont you are probably right but I think you have to be living with you head in the sand if you think they do not prey on those that do live in that type of enviroment. Look at any government subsidized housing project, the only exceptions are those specifically earmarked for the elderly and/or the disabled, and you will find rampant drug and criminal activity. Again I say, changing commercially zoned property so that you can invite potentially 90-100 additional families dependent on government subsidized housing is not a formula for economic growth, but rather it puts a strain on the funds that must pay for the additional services that will be required to service that area.

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Beaumont

Mar-14-13 12:19 PM

If you only knew who the big drug dealers were in Salem. They may not live in subsidized Housing.

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swager

Mar-14-13 9:03 AM

Mr. Nestic, Your sustainable development people will let you know what you need and where you will put it. As for the drugs, I remember salem acres in the early days. There was a motorcycle gang and a drug dealer known to all residents there. No one ever bothered them as they conducted business. The dealers and users all knew each other. You are more likely to find dealers and users where people are not employed.

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WatchDog

Mar-13-13 7:06 PM

Mr. Nestic states: "As for the drug problem, as I said the mayor looked into police calls in a similar development and found that there was nothing to be alarmed about."

The Mayor looked into it? You couldn't do that yourself? Or could this be an excuse (blame) you will choose to use after the fact?

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WatchDog

Mar-13-13 6:56 PM

Mr. Nestic states: "Can't say I blame you with all the crap council people get from you bloggers."

Your attitude is disturbing. We don't work for you Mr. Nestic. You work for us. It appears you continue to forget that important factor. Maybe you need to refresh your memory with the organizational chart of Salem. If you are this dissatisfied with being questioned by taxpayers whom have investments into this city I suggest highly, that maybe you need to consider stepping down. The city taxpayers have a right to a productive city council and it appears you are hindering the other sitting members of council with your whining.

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concerned

Mar-11-13 7:12 PM

Beaumont some people might have that motivation but not me. I do not own any subsidized rental units. My only concern is that a subsidized housing project will invite more crime into our area. Not from the truely poor but from those types that always seem to be attracted to government subsidized housing projects. I know people that have moved out of government subsidized projects simply because they did not want their children living in the type of enviroment that these place seem to breed. I am sure this will go thru and we will see who is right. The only problem is once it is here you can't get rid of it if you don't like it. I hope it is as wonderful as it has been sold to us. But no one can deny that 100 more government subsidized housing units put in the mix means we are going to get 100 more government dependent residents in town. Either in these units or as replacements in the units we already have. Again I repeat, this is not a path to economic development.

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Beaumont

Mar-11-13 4:18 PM

Is it that some people that own property they rent to people the get money from the the gov. to pay there rent may move and they will loose guranteed income?

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concerned

Mar-11-13 1:45 PM

Truth says: "Salem Acers is in Perry Township. Why would the mayor get into their business" That is not getting into their business truth. If you are going to try to convince someone that government subsidized housing in general is nothing to worry about, I think you have to look at it everywhere. Do we have a need for more subsidized housing for the current population in Salem? Or will this just attract more people to our area that are on public assistance? Does Salem want to become the place to go for public assisted housing? If so the tax base in the city will start to decrease because those on public assistance normally don't pay a whole lot of taxes. I am not against Poor people I spent most of my life at or not much above the poverty level. Without taking any kind of public assistance I might add. What truely poor people want is an opportunity to get ahead they don't covet subsidized housing. Subsidized housing is not a solution to economic woes.

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GrantMingus

Mar-11-13 1:29 PM

Mr. Nestic, while you're here, my only question to you is (especially since you repeatedly said that as an elected official you work within the rules set forth), did you say that people have the RIGHT to housing or were you misquoted?

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Truth101

Mar-11-13 1:01 PM

Mr Nestic, you and city council need to pass an emergency ordance. Anyone with a criminal record is not welsome in our city. Unless ofcourse your rich and own property and are members of the good ole boys club.

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Truth101

Mar-11-13 12:59 PM

concerned, Salem Acers is in Perry Township. Why would the mayor get into their business? You know several people that deal" with those kinds of people and they won't frix their property because they would just get trashed. So I guess their attidute is those people are nothing but trash, but I'm getting a guareented income from them so screw them anyway. If your friends don't really care for those kinds of people why don't he just not rent to them. Do you and your friends ever put any principals ahead of money?

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concerned

Mar-11-13 8:48 AM

Even those with criminal records. And you tell us not to worry!!! Maybe you should take a walk on the real side of life sometime.

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concerned

Mar-11-13 8:45 AM

You said: "As for the drug problem, as I said the mayor looked into police calls in a similar development and found that there was nothing to be alarmed about." Really?? Did he check out the police reports for Salem Acers? Seems to me there is always something going on in there. As far as the landlords upgrading their properties. I know several of those folks that deal with subsidized housing tenants. You know what they tell me, why they don't fancy up their places? Because the tenents just tear it up. How long with these "quality" apartments remain "quality"? I am not against poor people I spent the biggest part of my life as a poor person. Their is a difference in being poor and taking advantage of the system. Are they going to screen tenants or are they going to let anyone that qualifies for subsidized housin live there? I doubt they are going to screen I belive the law states that if you take government money you can not discriminate. Even those with

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concerned

Mar-11-13 8:16 AM

Dave I really don't know where to begin. First I think what someone does with their time and their money is their business, not yours and should not be a topic of public discussion. Second if council people don't want to listen to the so called "crap" frome bloggers don't read them. No one said you had to read them. But I would think that someone in your position, that has been elected to represent the people, would want to know what was on the mind of their constituants. After all elected officials are elected representatives not elected kings. I agree I don't believe council should influence what goes in areas zoned for that purpose either, but I also don't believe they should change zoning codes just to accomodate someone. Does reducing the number of commercial zones help or hinder economic development? I think it hinders commecial growth.

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DaveNestic

Mar-11-13 6:57 AM

Should we, from council, say we have enough insurance agencies in town, enough restaurants, enough gas stations, etc. becuase adding more will hurt some hard-working Salem business person?

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DaveNestic

Mar-11-13 6:56 AM

The Holiday Inn Express usually won't build unless there is a restaurant across the parking lot. Maybe we should side with Home Depot in blocking that project becasue a new restaurant will hurt the existing restaurants and they will go out of business or be forced to serve lesser meals to those that could only afford less. What kind of logic is there in limiting competition?

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DaveNestic

Mar-11-13 6:50 AM

As for the drug problem, as I said the mayor looked into police calls in a similar development and found that there was nothing to be alarmed about. If current landlords upgrade their properties they won't have to worry about losing tenants. If they don't upgrade their property then they are to blame for losing business. If you didn't add lines to your business or better your service over the years, your competitors would have limited your growth. That is business.

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DaveNestic

Mar-11-13 6:46 AM

First I will re-iterate that our only decision on council is whether to re-zone or not. They are going to build anyhow. I don't believe we should use a council vote to influence a legal business transaction between a land owner and land buyer.

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DaveNestic

Mar-11-13 6:43 AM

Don't mean to be cute just throwing a light-hearted jab. I asked you to run for council and you opted to spend winters in Florida instead. Can't say I blame you with all the crap council people get from you bloggers. However, aren't you taking the corporate profits of your business earned off the backs of Salem residents and spending them in another state? Sounds like NRP.

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concerned

Mar-10-13 9:19 PM

Dave instead of your cute little remarks why don't you comment about the concerns that have been brought up. I think I have brought up some valid points like: Where are the tenents going to come from to fill this complex? Salem! If so what happens to the houses and apartments that they are occupying now? Who occupies them or do they just sit vacant? Does that concern you in the least? What about the landlords in Salem that have invested their money in income producing properties? Does council care that this complex might hurt them ? What about addressing some of watchdog's concerns. I thought she brought up some excellent questions yet you don't seem to want to discuss them. All you can do is take offense and call the concerns "boggie man" hyperbole comments. Please just take them serious, this town can't afford to many more mistakes. We have a very serious drug problem in this town and I think we have to be careful not to do things that are going to add to it.

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DaveNestic

Mar-10-13 7:10 PM

Concerned, you should be enjoying the beautiful sunset off the gulf coast right right now.

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concerned

Mar-10-13 5:49 PM

wtchdog didn't you catch it in the article. They are waiting for tax credits from the state before they can build. Plus low income housing is subsidized by the taxpayers. We the taxpayers pick up the tab for the majority if not all of the rent cost. Renting to someone that is on subsidized housing can be a good gig if you work it right. Of course they plan to make money. One of the problems this is going to create is a lot of our local people that rent properties to low income people are going to be left holding the bag if their tenents move into the new "quality" low income apartments. So money will be taken out of the hands of local residents and put in the hands of a corporation. Who's economy is that going to help? Not the Salem property owners.

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