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Residents question project again

Second reading held on apartment complex

March 6, 2013

SALEM — Two rezoning ordinances related to the Salem Pointe apartment development on the city’s east side received their second readings Tuesday night, with one more reading required for city counci......

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CameraCapers

Mar-06-13 12:51 AM

Pottersville is coming.

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concerned

Mar-06-13 6:10 AM

Mr. Nestic says "People at all income levels have the right to quality housing,"

This sounds like just another "welfare state" government funded entitlement program to me. I disagree with Mr. Nestic on this. I believe no one should be discriminated against when it comes to housing but to say they have the right to "quality" housing just because they are alive I would not agree. I would say they have the right to the type housing that they can afford. I would say if they can't afford any housing that we should help them get back on track with basic housing and a job to pay for that basic housing but not new quality housing and a monthly subsidized hand out to pay for that quality housing. I don't think our local leaders should be encouraging more government entitlement programs. Programs like this is one of the reasons our country is in the financial shape it is in now.

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swager

Mar-06-13 8:29 AM

They lied to get the project this far along. The city will follow no matter what is done. Do you think the people who move there will pay the downtown tax bill like the rest of you will? I'm sure there are city people ready to flee crime in their areas to bring it to yours.

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GrantMingus

Mar-06-13 8:42 AM

You're right concerned, no one has the "right" to housing in this country.

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WatchDog

Mar-06-13 12:38 PM

Mr. Nestic says "People at all income levels have the right to quality housing,"

He's half right and half wrong.

"Deserving, hard working, quality" people at all income levels have the right to quality housing".

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WatchDog

Mar-06-13 12:46 PM

Anytime Government gets their grips into anything you can guarantee "failure".

Governments motto is simple. They don't care who they are, what they have done, how they live...just get them off the street and housed. Government fears only one word. Discrimination.

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Tauras

Mar-06-13 4:10 PM

More section 8 housing for the city's wack jobs and welfare bums

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Mtlhed

Mar-06-13 6:09 PM

Brian Whitehill brings up a good point about there now being a "better" buffer between the development and the dead-end streets to the west. But unfortunately this buffer won't keep kids from going down to the crick to cause trouble and just hang out. As a kid I went down there to shoot BB guns, catch cray-fish and collect wild razberries for my grandmother to make a pie. I hope the whole field and crick doesn't become full of drug paraphanelia and litter.

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concerned

Mar-06-13 9:54 PM

If this was something that was good for Salem why are they worried about a buffer zone????

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gimmieabreak

Mar-07-13 8:25 AM

Perhaps Mr. Nestic would like to put the "Projects" in the area where he lives.There is room in the Northern part of town for "quality"governmental housing for "people at all income levels".Besides, there are no "Projects" on the North side - yet.

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concerned

Mar-07-13 8:41 AM

I wonder what the crime figures looked like for the city prior to the government subsidized housing boom in Salem? My guess is they were a lot lower than today. Just a coincidence ??? I wonder!! I our city leaders have to ask themselves if this is something that will benefit the city or will it be a path to further deterioration.

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ladybug

Mar-07-13 1:11 PM

Maybe an over all view of the city back in the 60's and 70's early 80's compared to now might answer alot of questions

Not justifying them "low inc. housing " But the alernative might end up being more run down neighberhoods.Unless you just kick them out on the street

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concerned

Mar-08-13 7:28 AM

My guess is most of the low income apartments will just attract more welfare types to the area. Have you ever noticed in the inner city projects of big cities is where drug dealers and drug gangs hang out. They don't work so they qualify for government assistance while they make big bucks selling drugs. Don't be fooled more government housing will only lead to more of that type element in our city. It will not benefit the poor of Salem it will just attract more government dependent people to our area. Is this really what Salem wants or needs?????

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sunshine72

Mar-08-13 7:39 AM

Those pesky welfare vermin. Too bad we can't shuffle them all into one big concentrated area. Keep 'em away from all the righteous folks.

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ladybug

Mar-08-13 9:22 AM

And the "solution Is " ????

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ladybug

Mar-08-13 9:25 AM

Look around Salem like the whole country has it all !!

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concerned

Mar-08-13 9:42 AM

And the "solution Is " ????

Well the solution certainly is not to create more breeding grounds for drugs. Just remember when this gets built that the police are going to be out there on call after call. More taxpayer expense just to try to keep the peace and to keep the residents out there in acceptable behavior, residents that will not contribute to the tax base.

It has nothing to do with "righteous folks" Sunshine the facts are the government projects bring crime and more serious crimes. Take your liberal blinders off sweetie.

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sunshine72

Mar-08-13 9:52 AM

My blinders allow me to believe you aren't really as much of a pompous ass as you sound :) I'll keep them on thanks. Oh, and I'm not your "sweetie" HUN.

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Phoenix

Mar-08-13 10:09 AM

Concerned, I don't live in Salem so I can't speak for your situation, but I do live in one of your "big cities" and I really get tired of people misrepresenting and generalizing those who receive government assistance and or housing. I do a little volunteer work so I come in contact with these people all the time, most of them have low wage jobs and struggle to pay for rent, food, child care, medical bills, etc., in particular, the single moms I meet. Are there people who take advantage of government assistance, of course, but does that mean we should punish the majority who do not?

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DaveNestic

Mar-08-13 10:40 AM

There is a lot of "Boogie Man" hyperbole posted here about this project. First, my statement wasn’t exactly as published. I stated that I think that everyone should have ACCESS to quality housing at all levels of income in our community. The low income housing that already exists here in Salem is not that attractive. It exists here anyhow. Along comes NRP with a better product and it may force some useful competition (sorry for the capitalist slant for those here who wish to label people based on on-liner quotes). Within the bounds of our legal and tax system, NRP has figured out how to build a high-end product for low-income dwellers and make a good profit at it. If you don’t like it, get into government and change the system. But until the system is changed, we work within it. Why shouldn’t Salem benefit from it and increase the quality of housing stock? If you disagree with that then we should also reject Local Government Funds, Inheritance Tax and Ohio Public W

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DaveNestic

Mar-08-13 10:41 AM

… Ohio Public Works funds because they represent redistribution of wealth. Although I am not a proponent of redistribution of wealth as a policy, as long as the rules exist as they do I will take advantage of them for the citizens of Salem in order to keep the tax here low.

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DaveNestic

Mar-08-13 10:42 AM

Our decision on council has nothing to do with whether or not we think this specific project is good for Salem. The property is already zoned multi-family and NRP has already said that if we don’t rezone the northern portion of the property, then they will just move it a few hundred yards south. They are acting within the bounds of the currently existing rules for zoning. For those Libertarians here, should we as government use our vote on council to tell someone what they can do with their property when the issue at hand has nothing to do with the business transaction taking place within the bounds of the law? Concerned – you talk out both sides of your mouth sometime. Government sets the rules and business people adjust and work within them. That is all NRP and the current owner of the property is doing. Our only decision is whether or not we rezone a piece of commercial property that the local neighbors have already expressed would be a better solution than having both a mul

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DaveNestic

Mar-08-13 10:42 AM

… having both a multi-family complex and a commercial complex next to them. Using our vote to intervene in a business transaction that is proceeding within the bounds of the rules that currently exist is government intervention in its worst form. Those who think their government officials should behave that way in this situation should examine their own beliefs as they also espouse the evils of big government as a general opinion.

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DaveNestic

Mar-08-13 10:43 AM

Ask the mayor about the crime statistics. He looked at police calls from a number of areas around town and found that in the complex most like the one being proposed (off Lexington), the police calls were actually less than in areas of the city that have subsidized housing or other neighborhoods in decline. All the talk about “those people” being aggregated into an area increasing drug and crime rates is, as Sunshine put it, pompous. I personally do find it offensive. The fact is what we pay here for starting wages for teachers, police and even many private sector jobs is a wage that qualifies for tenancy in this proposed complex. The market area from which this complex will draw is your own neighbors that are on social security or working at a local employer (sorry, maybe not your next door neighbor, but maybe another Salem citizen to which you sell your goods and services).

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DaveNestic

Mar-08-13 10:44 AM

After the hearing last week I was accosted by Salem developer who informed me that I am nothing but a big city guy and that is what everyone is saying about me and that I should get with the program. Well, in the Big City that is what they call a small town attitude. I see a lot of that displayed here as well.

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