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Successes from 2008 plan analyzed

March 10, 2013

SALEM — Successes realized from a 2008 plan created to provide direction for Salem’s future may become part of an Ohio State University Extension case study and offered as a role model for planning......

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concerned

Mar-18-13 5:56 PM

Three disagrees. Really?? The constitution of the State of Ohio states that levied tax money can only be used for the purposes for which it is levied. One only has to look at the income tax levy that was passed by the voters of Salem to see what the income tax money can be spent on. The city can only spend that money for those purposes or they are spending that money illegally. I guess someone disagrees with the Constitution of the State of Ohio or they never bothered to read it.

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WatchDog

Mar-17-13 5:12 PM

Unfortunately, those questions seem to go unanswered. Accountability has to rein regardless of the idea. Council has an obligation to ASK THOSE QUESTIONS when investing our tax dollars. We can not continue to fund ideas of that consist of..."well it might work and might not". That isn't even legal. Accountability and Government waste is serious.

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WatchDog

Mar-17-13 4:47 PM

concerned, you said: "The only thing I question is: Do expenditures on these type projects, no matter how good they seem to be, actually fall within the prescribed usage of income tax fund as prescribed by law?"

You are not alone in that questioning. In fact, I believe it should be taken one step further. With the question as follows. How did that tax payer investment improve Salem and make an impact of change for all taxpayers, the whole entire city?

I see our tax dollars being used to prop up and benefit only certain individuals and business. Where is the investment return? Where is the result. I'm sorry to say this because it will upset certain members of council. How much money to date has been dumped into SOD and where is the investment return? Asking for money for an idea to host only another idea and another idea has been the pattern. What are we paying for? The idea? I just don't see the results that are making any impact of change at all.

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concerned

Mar-17-13 7:38 AM

Watchdog the money went to Ohio State University for putting the plan together. Like I said earlier I think the plan was well put together and was done with community input. My only point was,Questioner said it did not cost the taxpayers money and that is not true. The city did kick in money for the plan, they didn't pay it all but they did pay some. All money a government entity has, is we the people's money. The only thing I question is: Do expenditures on these type projects, no matter how good they seem to be, actually fall within the prescribed usage of income tax fund as prescribed by law? Just because sn expediture seems like a good idea don't make it a legal expenditure. At this point in history our government is taking on more and more expense and getting more and more involved in things that I don't think our founding fathers intended for the govt. to be involved in. We can not continue to fund with public money every good idea that comes down the pike.

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WatchDog

Mar-16-13 7:49 PM

I'm sorry let me correct that spelling and statement errors.

$5000? Instead of playing the guessing game and we certainly don't want to put out "false information".

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WatchDog

Mar-16-13 7:47 PM

$5000? Instead of playing the guessing game and we certainly don't want to put "fale information".

Maybe Councilman Nestic can explain specifically how that $5000 investment by the taxpayer's was spent and what it was directly applied too? How that investment improved Salem and made an impact of change?

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questioner

Mar-16-13 1:40 PM

Nope, I didn't know it cost us $5000. It still looks like we've gotten decent return on that money. Something has been done, things are continuing to be done. It beats 2,000,000. to someone that no one has done background on. Is it that hard to check where a person has worked before and what specifically they have done?

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concerned

Mar-15-13 9:51 PM

Gee a disagree. IT is publc record go request a copy of the finances on it and see for yourself. I am not positive about the exact amount but I know for a fact the city kicked in to pay for the plan to be done.

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zerotolerance

Mar-15-13 7:55 PM

"I believe the city of Salem shelled out around $5,000 of taxpayers money for this comprehensive plan."

concerned, careful, you will be next on the NESTIC list of attack along with those butt kissers now tryin to save face since they were foolish enough to fall for that stunt nestic pulled. How our tax bucks are invested isn't suppose to be our business. The same motto, shut up and pay and do not dare to ask questions.

We have dumped a lot of tax bucks into these projects.

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zerotolerance

Mar-15-13 7:49 PM

"Under a veil of secrecy, the debate degrades. Lift the veil and the discussion is lifted."

Hey Nestic, if this is what you want and everybody to believe then who sent the email?

"Just FYI WatchDog, I received an email from someone that was offended by your remarks."

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concerned

Mar-15-13 7:34 PM

Questioner not quite right. I believe the city of Salem shelled out around $5,000 of taxpayers money for this comprehensive plan.

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zerotolerance

Mar-15-13 7:19 PM

Grant are you a fence rider? "I think you're the one that needs to grow up Watchdog."

After all the news stories this woman has agreed with you on and you turned tail on her because you want kiss the butt of Nestic? Man you have to kiddin?

Wacthdog, don't let them run you off. It appears you have stepped on some toes and have gotten to close to the truth and it has Nestic uncomfortable...don't let him run you off or stop you. "Under a veil of secrecy, the debate degrades. Lift the veil and the discussion is lifted."

Nestic there are a lot of people not this stupid to fall for this. You may want to silence the little people that scare you. Only fool would reveal their real name. Trust you or Government...not as far as we can throw you.

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questioner

Mar-15-13 4:51 PM

Back to the article: Successes, volunteers, progress, goals, plans, action, a grant sought, accomplishments, strategies, a consensus, partnering, implementing solutions all to improve Salem, without taxing Salem, so what's not to like? A very good job by everyone involved. Thank you. (Please note: this was done without asking for money, without personal gain, so again, thank you.)

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concerned

Mar-15-13 3:46 PM

Non- Socialist you are probably correct in your assememnt about the legal matter of using a screen name on a post. I believe the News does have a disclaimer in the printed paper that says on letters to the editor they reserve the right to edit any libelous statements. You know the ones that people actually put their real names on what they have written. I think they may do that for a reason.

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Kozy62

Mar-15-13 1:45 PM

And, BTW Grant, I usually don't sit on my couch to post. But...

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Kozy62

Mar-15-13 1:44 PM

Ok, as probably the senior member of this roudy bunch, you've all made your points and let's play nice. Every person, including those who may be concerned about letting people know their real name, has a right to make a point. If we just work hard to keep it on subject, this is great first amendment fun.

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concerned

Mar-15-13 1:03 PM

Grant, Now I get it. It must be ok, in your mind at least, to call people names and make personal attacks if you put a name on your post. I may be wrong, but I think the original intent of the Salem News may have been to give people a forum to present either agreement or different ideas about articles, not a place for them to try to make a name for themselves. Like I said your name might as well be "The Liberator" Telling me your name is Grant Mingus don't mean a thing to me. But like I said, you do bring up some good points occasionally. The whole idea is to make people stop and think, which you have done several times. For that I thank you for your contributions who ever you are.

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GrantMingus

Mar-15-13 11:05 AM

I guess I'm just not a coward.

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concerned

Mar-15-13 10:33 AM

Salem News set it up, it is their site, apparently they wanted it to be set up this way. If they would have wanted people to use their real name they would have made that a stipulation. To be quite honest with you Mr. Mingus I don't have a clue who you are. It would make no difference to me it you name was Joe Blow. But you do have some valid points that need to be heard regardless of what your name is.

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GrantMingus

Mar-15-13 10:29 AM

Concerned, if you're really concerned about the community then you should have no trouble standing up and leading. Anyone who has a name attached to anything gets destroyed by you anonymous commentators: Cahill, Nestic. How can I take someone anonymous that seriously when they could be telling us what to do about Salem from their couch in south Florida?

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GrantMingus

Mar-15-13 10:26 AM

How can there be an open debate if no one is willing to say who they are? What exactly is open about that? Does "Watchdog" have the right to free speech or does the person behind the name have that right? You weed people out in a discussion quickly when there is no anonimity, you still have to "grow up".

You guys are only proving our point, in this discussion you can say anything you want. No one knows who you are. Our founders would roll in their graves if they knew people were discussing issues with completely anonymous names. Makes it easy for you to take shots at Mr. Nestic. I think you're the one that needs to grow up Watchdog.

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concerned

Mar-15-13 9:21 AM

Dave since you addressed me in you last post I will address it. I disagree. I do not believe it is important who it is that is expressing their ideas. Are one person's ideas more important than anothers? I don't think they are. Yes, there are people on here that just seems to want to attack and call names and put forth things that you can tell had absolutely no thought put into them. But you just have to take those with a grain of salt. As for myself I really can't remember ever commenting on anything or disagreed with anyone that I would not have had the guts to say to that persons face. Nor do I think putting a real name to comments would or should make them any more important. If we really are concerned about our community, it should be about ideas not about who says what or who does more for their community and who doesn't. Pats on the back are cheap but real life changing ideas are priceless.

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concerned

Mar-15-13 8:59 AM

Actually the comprehensive plan was one of the best things that has been done for the city in a long time. Teams were sent out to talk to various groups around town to get their input into the needs of the city. O and by the way no one asked their names when they were putting forth their ideas. Nor did anyone belittled them about their ideas. The whole project was about gathering thoughts not gathering names so we could pat them on the back when they said something everyone liked. Everyone's thoughts were important and taken note of. It is too bad we can't continue that attitude in our city. There is nothing wrong with stating you disagree with someone over an issue but when it turns to personal attacks, name calling and belittling those that are not in agreement with us, then we have stepped over the line. It is human nature to counter attack when you feel someone has attacked you, but it is really counter productive to engage in that kind of dialogue.

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DaveNestic

Mar-15-13 8:44 AM

Concerned et. al. - I agree with civil debate and the thoughtful exchange of ideas. I am merely trying to make the point that behind a mask of anonymity, people will put forth information and comments without the filter of rationality and common decency. For example, there are things said here by some bloggers that they would never say to a dissenting bloggers face (me or anyone else). Under a veil of secrecy, the debate degrades. Lift the veil and the discussion is lifted.

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Louigi

Mar-15-13 7:55 AM

WatchDog says; Small minds will see this as success, great minds will see this as grasping for straws in failure.

I take this article at face value, some folks tried to make a difference and got something done, modest as those accomplishments may have been. Since I am too small minded to see the problem, would you please explain from that great mind of yours, what exactly you would do to correct the problems Salem is currently experiencing. Though my mind is small if you go slowly I think I may understand!!!

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