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Zoning officer: New fish mural breaks city code

May 22, 2013

SALEM — Having the business name on the Moonstone Massotherapy fish mural on the side of the Ellsworth Avenue building violates city zoning code, city Planning & Zoning Officer Patrick Morrissey sai......

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STofit

May-22-13 5:56 AM

Another reason zoning does not work. Buildings were painted with business ads for hundreds of years. There should never have been a zoning code against them. This is a case where the business owners that don't have a visible wall wanted to prevent the signs of one who does.

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notSocialist

May-22-13 6:01 AM

"...how the letter said there was a violation of the sign regulations and that he would need to take it down from the building.

"Until I am dead, that will not happen," Cahill said."

Alrighty, then! Remember to make the cut up the forearm, not across the wrist.

""The fault I find is with the regulations," he said."

The fault I find is someone who thinks they are sooooo important, they don't have to obey the law.

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concerned

May-22-13 6:50 AM

Zoning codes are just the desires of those that are in power at the time they are written. However, they are the law and must be observed as long as they remain the law. If one does not like a certain law they should work with the system and try to get that law changed, but to blatantly defy the law and shake your fist at it, I find to be very arrogant. I wonder if Mr. Cahill realizes that violation of the city code carries with it a hefty daily fine for everyday someone is in violation. Hopefully the city will enforce that fine if Cahill refuses to comply. Allowing someone to thumb their nose at a city law and get away with it, I think would be a big mistake and would open a door that the city may find very hard to get closed again.

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gimmieabreak

May-22-13 7:22 AM

What's the old saying? "Lack of planning on your part does not constitute chaos on mine!" Or "Get your ducks in a row before you do anything".Good job,Mr. Morrissey!

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Cahill

May-22-13 7:45 AM

Oh - long-ways not across the arm - now I just made a horrible mess and I am still alive and have to clean it all up! I agree that we must comply with the law. That said, if one drives around the city you will see dozens of examples of signs painted on buildings that are not in compliance. This is not a sign. This is art. Why do you suppose that it is THIS mural and not all of those on the skating rink and other buildings that so offends our City? Art is not a sign. Selective enforcement is unacceptable. - but you know that don't you?

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Cahill

May-22-13 7:50 AM

STofit I agree. for many years there were signs painted on all of the downtown buildings. Remnants of many remain. There were signs on the store fronts, too. They were lighted and had neon. That was long ago when there was a successful downtown. We have fixed that with our regulation for the sake of regulation. Look at a picture from the past - back when people lived in our city.

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Cahill

May-22-13 7:55 AM

Have a nice day and try to think happy thoughts.

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dds1983

May-22-13 8:25 AM

"notSocialist" Wow,you really are a class act!

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concerned

May-22-13 8:33 AM

Cahill says: "if one drives around the city you will see dozens of examples of signs painted on buildings that are not in compliance. This is not a sign. This is art." Mr. Cahill, Things in existence prior to a zoning law being enacted is grandfathered in and does not have to comply with new regulations. Perhaps that is why there are remnants of the past. New zoning laws apply only from the time they are enacted going forward. they are not retroactive. Hmm not a sign???? Then why the name on it? Once you put the name of a business on a building, it becomes a sign. I am not saying I agree with the law or that I don't agree with it. I am just saying it is the law and it has to be followed. If you don't like the law, work to get it changed. But sir as long as it is the law, please respect it, everyone else has to follow the existing rules. Why should you be any different??

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concernedcitizen27

May-22-13 11:27 AM

So the issue is the name painted on the wall. Cut a piece of wood to the shape, paint over it on the wall and screw up the wood signboard that your artist can re-paint for you with the name. Problem solved. Seems like a silly rule....

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viper1

May-22-13 12:31 PM

Cant comment on that "MUral" as I haven't seen it. But if its like the one on state street I'll back Morrissey, take it down. And I think he is a poor zoning officer. When I go down main street and see that "mural" It feels like im in youngstown ghettos. Those arent Murals there plain out and out Graffiti and need removed. We do have laws on that. And we are trying to remove it from other places in town. But because someone chooses to pay for it ,its a mural! I think not. It makes this whole town look bad.

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WatchDog

May-22-13 1:17 PM

"Until I am dead, that will not happen," Cahill said."

NOW that was a real grownup response!

Cahill, put on your big boy pants and apologize to the community and FIX the problem. Morrissey busted you, now accept that your little vendetta didn't work and stop screwing up downtown Salem.

And to think, THIS coming from the man that wanted the taxpayers to hand him over 2 million bucks!

FISH MURAL? Really? As if nobody had a clue as to why you pulled this stunt to begin with!

Morrisey, if Cahill doesn't comply...START SLAPPING FINES ON HIM!

This is ridiculous!

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OSU600

May-22-13 4:31 PM

Agree with Viper. These murals are an ugly addition to the downtown and need a good coat of whitewash

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notSocialist

May-22-13 6:11 PM

"notSocialist" Wow,you really are a class act!

Thank yew! Just tryin' to help.

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CorneliousWhistle

May-22-13 6:57 PM

You people are worrying too much about bogus things that dont even matter. what about the drug problem we have the decaying downtown theres way worse things to deal with other than a mural in salem ohio..... haha you all crack me up. your a joke :)

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notSocialist

May-22-13 7:16 PM

The article isn't about drugs, it's about the mural.

Are you happy you insulted all that commented here?

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questioner

May-23-13 10:43 AM

People do keep mentioning drugs when they talk about downtown. The articles I've read mentioning drug busts have Not been downtown. I am downtown a lot--evenings included. I have not known of a drug problem there. Am I missing something or have the "reports"(??) been greatly exaggerated?

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questioner

May-23-13 10:49 AM

P.S. I don't want this comment to take away from my last comment, because I do think the questions asked there are important, but notSocialist, you probably should apologize (even tho a relatively large number agreed with you). But just like Mr. Cahill overstepped when he called those who don't like his murals fools, etc, your comment did cross some boundary lines.

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notSocialist

May-23-13 1:24 PM

"But just like Mr. Cahill overstepped when he called those who don't like his murals fools, etc, your comment did cross some boundary lines. "

Which boundaries are they?

I did not feel his comment deserved a serious response.

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questioner

May-23-13 5:37 PM

Let Him keep making the off-the-wall extreme comments--it hasn't served him well. And while I admit I've repeated your comment to others (with a smile), when the response I've gotten was, "Someone said he should commit suicide??" I would say the comment, even i jest, crossed a line.

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KsBug79

May-24-13 12:18 AM

@Viper & OSU - agree about that plywood downtown. It is hideous. The mural on N. Ellsworth is not to my taste, but at least it is neat & clean looking. That mess on State St. tells the world this town is headed in the dumper! THAT needs to be addressed more than the sign. Either way, it's Cahill making a mess of things.

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notSocialist

May-25-13 5:51 AM

"...I've repeated your comment to others (with a smile), when the response I've gotten was, "Someone said he should commit suicide??"

Not Quite accurate. HE suggested HE would commit suicide, I merely suggested a way that would shorten the suffering.

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Graffitiwrighter

May-25-13 12:40 PM

this town is so black and white Cahill is bringing some color to this town. giving us writers a place to paint besides in the shadows illegally would rather see murals than crappy graffiti all over the place

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questioner

May-25-13 4:02 PM

Hey Concerned, if you're reading this, you were right on a posting elsewhere about signs, murals and change, because, according to a Salem Downtown TAC posting, "Tuesday at 6:00 the Rules and Ordinance Committee is going to meet to discuss the rules governing SIGNS for businesses." Maybe not impossible to make changes. (Just slow, but a start.)

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concerned

May-25-13 4:25 PM

questioner that is where it all starts. It will take months to get thru the process if it survives the many steps it must go thru. However change just for change's sake is not always good change. But that is up to our elected officials and the appointed planning commission. There will be a time for public input on the subject though. That is if anyone really cares.

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