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Salem bans any new scrap yards

Council holds 2nd reading on drilling limits

September 18, 2013

SALEM — City council voted 6-1 Tuesday to prohibit scrap yards in M-1 and M-2 zoning districts, with Councilman Clyde Brown the lone dissente....

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swager

Sep-18-13 5:43 AM

Why would a company go to all the disruption and responsibility to put a rig in the city limits. They will put it outside and drill under it. Look to Frack Nation to see the fraud committed by a few people in Dimmock Pa. It's all about power and money for the woman at the meeting, that's all folks.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-18-13 6:35 AM

Not a comment for or against fracking, but one company is already planning to drill wthin the city limits. That is why the legislation was requested in the first place. My opinion is that this ordinance is garbage. It has no teeth and won't stop any fracking. It needs to be sent back to committee. Committee did not pass it, only sent it to council for consideration due to a tie. I was unable to attend that meeting, so I could not be the tie breaker.

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Justin84

Sep-18-13 6:41 AM

I do not see the issue with scrap yards or auto wrecking yards in the city. Everyone wants this perfect little clean storybook life but complain about everything. If the city drives future business away what good is that? Look at the wrecking yard on prospect st. If these facilities were run by reputable people there wouldnt be an issue. Also, if everyone is afraid of drilling and fracking why do they complain about the price of gas/oil? Hypocrites.

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concerned

Sep-18-13 7:13 AM

I agree Cyndi but I don't think there is any ordinance that could be drafted that would have teeth. The State controls where drilling will take place. That being said I do think it is Salem's best shot at least to try to control it. Hopefully the State will honor the city's wishes. But when push comes to shove the State will win. After all it is the State that gives the city their authority. The State giveth and the State can take away. Which they have done. Which was by design. Does anyone really believe that these oil companies were going to invest billions in Ohio and then have some backwoods local govt. tell them they couldn't drill?

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WatchDog

Sep-18-13 3:56 PM

Something is wrong with this picture. Maybe we need to ask what it is we are not being told here. Did haste make waste? I am not trying to be cynical here. Did the City sign on the dotted line BEFORE they had all the facts? I am behind the city to stop any drilling within any neighborhood locations, schools, stuff like that to stop it and protect the community. Which would be what you would think the State would controlling.

So let's back this up. I understand that sometimes the State oversteps their boundaries. But, if the State has this control and I would like to believe that they would not permit drilling anywhere that would in turn be detrimental to any community. Because that would be suicide for the State.

Cyndi you mention that one company is already planning to drill within the city limits. Is it private or city property and what exactly is the location. Better yet, what is about that location that suddenly has City council fretting to push for an ordinance?

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WatchDog

Sep-18-13 3:59 PM

Before anyone takes my comment wrong. I am not insulting city council. Did somebody pull the wool over your eyes?

Did the State overstep their boundaries with that location? What are we not being told?

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concerned

Sep-18-13 5:51 PM

Watchdog, The State controls where wells can be located. The permit to drill is issued by the State not the local government. I believe the State does have some guidelines about being so far from residential areas, whether that distance is where everyone would like it to be, I doubt it. I don't believe there is any language in the law that would actually give any local government the power to over ride the State as to where drilling could take place. Hopefully they would consider the city's wishes but I don't think there is any guarantee they will do that. It is pretty much up to the State of Ohio where wells go and do not go.

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Justin84

Sep-18-13 8:47 PM

I dont think the debate is over location in residential neighborhoods is it? M1 and M2 are industrial zoning. Is not drilling for oil the same type of business as an M1 or M2 industry? That is all based on pollutants and quantity of crude or refined material processing correct? If council tries to prevent m1 and m2 business from coming to the city because they dont like the particular process of the business they are basically cutting their own hand off. Its jobs and an opportunity for the city to grow and profit.

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Justin84

Sep-18-13 8:50 PM

Also, of the state issued the permit to drill i dont really think the city can stop it can they? Only delay it by wasting thousands in court arguing over nonsense until a judge forces it 3 years from now. I think its only an attempt to delay the inevitable.

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-19-13 6:24 AM

Justin is correct. Fighting a location permit would cost the city money, which I can not support. The city did not lease any land inside the city limits. The property in question is privately owned. As I said, I am not taking a stand for or against fracking. I AM opposed to an ordinance that might cost the city money. Lets assume the city passes this ordinance. A property owner signs a lease and a permit is issued by the state to drill. The city files a stop work order based on the ordinance, full well knowing it does not have that right. We then not only have the cost of fighting the permit in court, we could be liable for damages caused the property owner and oil company because of our actions. I for one, don't want to use my tax dollars this way.

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concerned

Sep-19-13 7:22 AM

Cyndi when you put it that way I see your point. what is the sense in putting laws on the book trying to regulate something that you have no authority to regulate. I think it could end up costing the city a bunch of unneeded expense to defend something that is destined to fail.

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Justin84

Sep-19-13 9:37 PM

Cyndi, any chance you can tell me what the city designates m1 or m2? Or where i could look that up maybe. Could you disclose where this proposed drill sight is? Im not thinking up many realistic sights here. Also, does banning new auto wrecking yards just allow said prospect st location to continue its monopoly on the market? Isnt that a little unfair?

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CyndiBaronzziDickey

Sep-20-13 7:33 AM

Justin, I agree grandfathering seems unfair. M1 and m2 zone mainly run along the railroad tracks and are industrial zones of different degrees. There are a few other spots scattered about. In a planned community this problem of residents across the street from industry doesn't happen, but Salem grew prior to that idea and so is very poorly zoned to be neighbor friendly. We want to prevent more problems like the one the existing scrap yard location created. The drill location is along the bypass. I think I know who owns it but haven't verified this as fact so I will leave it at that. Residents in that area are concerned and developers looking to buy the property don't want to invest on top of the mess a well site brings at least initially. Zone maps are on the wall in city council chambers, in the library and at city hall in zoning office. Not sure if they are on line.

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glovesoff

Sep-22-13 4:21 PM

Called Councilman Clyde Brown after reading the article. He told me the owner of the scrap yard was allowed to move in with no questions asked by City hall. He was told to file with only the City Income Tax Department. The M1 and M2 Zoning Ordinances are dated 1973. Apparently the current ordinance requirements were sufficient for thirty five years. Clyde thinks our zoning ordinance requirements weren't explained to the owner. Small carryin items would be no problem but expanding into cars etc over stepped the ordinances. Clyde is holding a 2nd Ward resident meeting Tuesday at PM. If you live in his ward, come and listen and get answers. Gramps (Due to where I live I can't attend but I wish I could.

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concerned

Sep-23-13 7:10 AM

Cyndi I don't think it was Salem's growth rate that caused this problem. The population of Salem has not grown for several decades in fact it has probably decreased. The problem is spot zoning that was allowed. Someone of influence wanted to put something in an area that was not zoned for that particular thing and exceptions were granted. Just like the signs on buildings downtown that were put up recently without a permit and violate the code yet are allowed to remain even though they are a violation of the code. If planning codes are not going to be enforced you may as well do away with them. Either change the code or enforce it. But to just ignore the code, I think does a great injustice to our system.

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glovesoff

Sep-24-13 3:13 PM

concerned and Cyndi: Clyde called and told me he just read the blogs. He believes it (scrap yard) came about because of not asking or not keeping informative records of what king of operation is going to locate in our M1&M2 Zoned Districts. He requested copies of all records of the scrap yard moving in. He didn't receive an information and was told record keeping is not required and the only requirement is to file with the City Income Tax Department. What happened to doing things with consideration of the health and welfare of our residents. Not to mention what harm has been done to property values of those living near the scrap yard. gramps

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swager

Sep-25-13 5:33 AM

The part I like about this thread is the fact that the city water supply is in a drilled and fraced unit. While all the bluster about a well on the bypass is bringing out the politicos to save you all from the unknown, your water supply was gladly leased and drilled. Does it get any funnier?

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