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Committee weights rules for indoor shooting ranges

October 9, 2013

SALEM — Councilman Rick Drummond said he’ll be working on language for proposed legislation to allow indoor shooting ranges for both commercial and residential properties....

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GrantMingus

Oct-11-13 5:12 PM

Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot...H E R O I N

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GrantMingus

Oct-11-13 5:12 PM

Oh and by the way KsBug, do you do ****** in your basement?

Or is that not a fair question? If not, I apologize, I was just going by your example of asking someone to prove their innocence rather than you proving guilt.

And for the record, regardless of what the law says, I do not believe there are any illegal weapons. I think any law that says otherwise is blatantly unconstitutional.

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GrantMingus

Oct-11-13 5:09 PM

**multiple private locations? (Got cut off)

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GrantMingus

Oct-11-13 5:08 PM

Concerned, the key word that you may have missed is "proper". I'm totally with you, you can impede on others rights via noise. I don't make it simpler than it really is. If I built a proper range in my house, you would never know from the outside that I'm shooting. As for inside the city limits, there are a lot of things the city says you can and can't do, but also a lot of things that if done on private property with no commercial application the city can't do much about. I'm not saying we should all build ranges in our houses, or that the city should let us shoot guns in town. I'm just trying to combat the people who want to push me around and try to tell me what I can and can't do. There is no crime in asking what right they have to curb my rights and making them explain their position.

And yeah, KsBug, we're shooting bazookas. You should come out some time, it's a "blast". Why do I need to pay to be a member of a club when I have access to multiple pr

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notSocialist

Oct-11-13 4:39 PM

The Salem Hunting Club is 50 clams a year. Even I can afford it :)

Haven't met a bung out there yet, and the ranges are nice. Only 200 yards for rifles, though.

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notSocialist

Oct-11-13 4:38 PM

Guess I should have read your post first, KS :)

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notSocialist

Oct-11-13 4:37 PM

There won't be a commercial shooting range in town. The EPA requires way too much air processing to make it economically viable.

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KsBug79

Oct-11-13 11:06 AM

Thank You concerned!! And guess what Grant..."I know a guy" too who has a shooting range. A commercial shooting range, not in this state and it cost him MILLIONS of dollars to set up that range to proper code and noise level requirements for his community and state. I will say it again. We have a facility for that purpose in our township. If you want to shoot your gun, go to the Salem Hunt Club. Or are you and your gun party buddies shooting illegal guns???

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concerned

Oct-11-13 8:16 AM

Grant just one question how you going to get around the law that says you can not fire a gun within the city limits? Isn't it a little irrational to think you can have a firing range in your home (if it is located in the city), when there is a law on the books that says you can not fire a gun within the city limits. Also isn't it a little irrational to think your rights supersede the rights of others. If someone having a gun range on their property disturbs the neighbors then what about their rights? I think our rights have to be tempered with consideration of others rights also. I see nothing wrong with a shooting range in a proper location but in a residential area I think it could be an infringement on others rights. The whole issue of rights is not as easy as you like to try to make it sometimes. I am with you on not infringing on people's rights but putting some restrictions on where those rights can be exercised is not eliminating them. It is protecting others rights also.

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GrantMingus

Oct-11-13 6:37 AM

"That cost is in the millions, don't kid yourself."

LOL if anyone believes that nonsense, please go to an indoor shooting range, where in most cases, the entire building isn't worth more than 100 grand.

I ask each and everyone of you, who are you to tell me I can't shoot MY firearm in MY house if I build a proper range? Who are you to tell me I can't have a "gun party"? Guess what? I've been part of many "gun parties" outside of town, which means that quite a few of us are coming and going with guns. People are coming and going with guns all the time, far more than most people seem to want to admit. No matter how strongly you express your irrational fear, it doesn't change the fact that it's irrational.

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Louigi

Oct-10-13 9:22 PM

As for a commercial range here in town, if I had the wherewithal I would be approaching the city myself. I think you would be surprised to know how many of neighbors would put that sort of facility to good use. Again there would be limits, pistols and .22 rifles possibly. With properly engineered noise proofing, the industrial park would probably be an ideal location.

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Louigi

Oct-10-13 9:11 PM

I know of a guy who has that type of setup in the basement(don't worry not in Salem). No this isn't a spot to try out a 30.06 rifle or .45 automatic, but perfectly safe for pellet gun or .22 shorts. In either case there is little to no noise involved and certainly nothing that can be heard outside the house,or even on the 1st floor.

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concerned

Oct-10-13 1:41 PM

Why would anyone want a shooting range in the basement of their home?? Why do we need shooting ranges within city limits to start with. Isn't that something that is better suited to a country setting?

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rpmwwe

Oct-10-13 12:55 AM

"Who's going to oversee what goes on in someone's basement?"

Perhaps the city could establish a basements department. They can hire basement inspectors to check everyone's basements annually and make sure no unapproved activities are occurring in them.

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KsBug79

Oct-09-13 12:14 PM

Residential?? Really??!!! Commercial, possibly industrial, but Residential, NO WAY!!! First of all, who has that kind of money to put one in their basement that is up to state code? That cost is in the millions, don't kid yourself. Go to a gun range and ask the questions. Visit one in use. And there sure will be "gun parties" Who's going to oversee what goes on in someone's basement? The city is crazy to go along with that prospect. Not to mention controlling the use of the Next ownder of that property. You want to shoot a gun? Go to the Salem Hunt Club, they are already set up for you to shoot your gun. There's no need for anything more in the city.

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