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Cruise finished strong, in black

June 24, 2014

SALEM — Rain picked off part of one day and someone tried to hoax people into believing it was canceled, but the 9th Salem Super Cruise finished strong and apparently well in the black, Service......

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Numnudz

Jun-26-14 6:15 AM

Wow, I can't believe two people actually agreed with my sarcastic statement. How hyper-sensitive have we become?

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Numnudz

Jun-25-14 8:27 AM

Isn't saying 'in the black' racist?

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 11:13 PM

I'll correct my autocorrect typo and say again, I never claimed that not a single person would be inconvieneced by the Cruise in some way. But that seems to be all you want to talk about. You're grasping at straws to find the "broad" view. It's a HUGE net gain for the city, period. And every single business downtown had the opportunity to seize the moment of thousands of people walking by their store front. If they decided that was an inconvenience and not an opportunity then it's their own fault.

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questioner

Jun-24-14 9:45 PM

Sorry, but you lost me. Keep grasping what?

You've made a few erroneous assumptions and comments--I'm not a hater of the event, I'm not looking for a reason to shut it down. But I don't think it's being negative to say that not all of Salem wins during Cruise. And I don't feel that it's automatically someone's own fault if the Cruise isn't a benefit to them, or doesn't appeal to them. And I can believe the Cruise is overall a benefit to Salem, and still know it's not good for all.

My outlook is broader than yours on this issue-- especially if you feel anyone with a viewpoint different than yours has a "made up narrative".

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 8:51 PM

I never claimed that not a agile person might be inconvenienced or that improvements couldn't still be made. Keep grasping.

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questioner

Jun-24-14 8:06 PM

And not a hater of the event, just a big enough person to realize that what is good for some is Not good for all. Sorry you aren't astute enough to get that.

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questioner

Jun-24-14 8:04 PM

Did you read the article where it said show cars on Second Street (a block away from State Street) was a bust, a "waste of time".

One block, totally event related, and people didn't get there.

And you still maintain that when a street is blocked off that has businesses Not event related and people have to walk More than a block to get to them, if they can find parking or drive down a street that isn't one way, that the event isn't detrimental to them??

When it was detrimental to a Cruise Event?

Idiot.

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 5:53 PM

And that offsets the tens of thousands of TAXABLE dollars brought in by many other businesses in town? If you're just a hater of the event then simply admit that, because you're wildly unsuccessful in coming up with any legitimate reason that we should shut it down.

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 5:50 PM

Is that really the best you can do? A small branch of an international nonprofit company closed their doors a bit early.

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 5:42 PM

By their own doing because they won't take advantage. Goodwill is a nonprofit anyways, so big deal. But Goodwill could easily have brought a lot of people in their store it they wanted to.

If you owned a business in a small town and I told you that a year from today I'll bring 10,000 people right to your door step, what are you going to do? Plan your vacation for that day?

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questioner

Jun-24-14 5:21 PM

All I know is GoodWill closed quite a bit early on Fri night. (Don't have knowledge of what they did other nights)

Anyway, surprised me because their hours are set by corporate, plus they have parking in back and a back entrance, so they wouldn't be affected much by Broadway being blocked.

But, obviously, sales for them sink during Cruise.

So while it's easy to arm chair quarterback, some business locations are hurt during Cruise.

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questioner

Jun-24-14 4:48 PM

I'd guess a couple others. Don't know about Ezio's--no parking and food vendors in front of him. Or Heaggy's-- pretty much same thing. I didn't think Bob Evans sees an increase, not a decrease but not really an increase.

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Numnudz

Jun-24-14 4:14 PM

"I heard this weekend that there were two food places in the downtown area that complained this hurts their business."

I'll guess the rib place on S. Broadway, and Gezo's.

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 1:32 PM

I agree completely. If you can't find a way to take advantage of thousands of potential customers walking around the street, then you aren't very pragmatic or proactive.

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ts1227

Jun-24-14 12:49 PM

I heard this weekend that there were two food places in the downtown area that complained this hurts their business. I won't name them in case it is false, but neither are directly on State St., one is a sit down, one is a take-out place.

I would think the take-out place would simply be a health department call away from being able to peddle their goods directly on the street with the rest of the food vendors. How do you not do that?

The other one, if true, is the result of a stubborn owner going out of their way to make a point.

If you did bad this weekend, it was your own doing.

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tommy44432

Jun-24-14 11:00 AM

It would surprise me if the city didn't make any money. Personally I think this year is their biggest profit yet. I disagree with Mr. Kenst that they just want to break even however. Although that's certainly preferable to being in the red. The big winner in the cruise is not the city but the businesses in town. Particularly the restaurants. For some it is their single most profitable weekend.

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 10:24 AM

How do you think people get loans for start up businesses questioner? That's a pretty good synopsis of exactly what you would say.

But AGAIN, this isn't their first rodeo. In case you aren't understanding that, it means they've done this before. In case you still aren't getting it, it means they know what certain things cost and what certain things generate. The expenses and the revenues for this event aren't real complicated. We're not talking about something a team of accountants has to comb over to figure out. In all likely hood, they would have known before it even started whether or not they were going to be profitable just based on vendor permits. The FINAL calculations come together so they can get it down to the last penny, you know why? Because it helps create the baseline by which you can estimate future events. And I never said you were being negative, I said you're searching for something to enable you to be negative. And that's exactly what you're doing.

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questioner

Jun-24-14 9:59 AM

Not being negative. But as a businessman, tell me how your bank would respond if you went for a loan and said, "we Expect to cover our costs and better yet we'll Apparently be well in the black and I know because we've been doing this for years." Uh-huh.

"the final tabulation for the official three-day event is weeks away" Let's wait till then to say "Aww, so many people's made up narratives destroyed in one single article!"

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 9:50 AM

Come on questioner, do you think they'd give the clear impression that it was in the black if it wasn't? This isn't their first rodeo, they know how much things will cost, they know how much revenue is generated from certain things. The calculations are to get the exact numbers. You think there is just some $20,000 expense they're forgetting? It's pathetic how some of you,*****most of you, are looking for anything and everything to be able to say something negative.

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questioner

Jun-24-14 9:46 AM

"Kenst, in his third year of managing the event, said the intent is not to make money "but cover our expenses"

This year it started with $26,937 in the municipal event fund and the final tabulation for the official three-day event is weeks away.

He expects to cover costs"

So we really don't know yet.

"the final tabulation for the official three-day event is weeks away"

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 9:46 AM

And finish the quote questioner..."apparently WELL in the black".

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 9:37 AM

Considering they would have known the number ahead of time for having all 20 on the clock for the entire event, and they sent some home on Friday, I'd say he's having the calculate how much lower the number is from the original estimate. But you know, you could just assume that the people in city hall are just chickens with their heads cut off who have no idea how to plan an event. It's obviously annually successful despite them...

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questioner

Jun-24-14 9:33 AM

"apparently" in the black, and yet in the article about police arrests, the chief said "He was still working on calculating the number of hours police worked in order to figure out the cost."

So we really don't know yet.

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 9:10 AM

"..with each year finishing with a profit through concession fees and sponsors that cover all expenses including overtime for city employees."

"One convenience store/service station said business exceeded what it gets during Christmas and one restaurant owner wondered about a couple of cruises during warm-weather months."

Aww, so many people's made up narratives destroyed in one single article! LOL

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GrantMingus

Jun-24-14 9:10 AM

"..with each year finishing with a profit through concession fees and sponsors that cover all expenses including overtime for city employees."

"One convenience store/service station said business exceeded what it gets during Christmas and one restaurant owner wondered about a couple of cruises during warm-weather months."

Aww, so many people's made up narratives destroyed in one single article! LOL

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