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Is NSA leaker Edward Snowden a patriot or a traitor?

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notSocialist

Jun-11-13 5:51 AM

Patriot.

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Kozy62

Jun-11-13 6:39 AM

I really don't know. The things that have come out are either a repeat of what concerned us back when the Patriot act was passed in the first place or his concern for all this info getting out. I would have to have more to determine the answer.

My big concern has always been that with government...if you trust a huge government like we have, your nuts. No matter how hard anything this big tries, there are going to be people who just can't keep a secret and our information could be given to others. Look at the IRS scandal.

Government has to be reduced to something way smaller.

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Kozy62

Jun-11-13 6:43 AM

The other part of all this is trust. There are now seven scandals and growing. This administration has run amuck and therefore how can we trust them, no matter what they are telling us? And, could the next President be worse?

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Kozy62

Jun-11-13 6:47 AM

Then you have paid contractors to add to the numbers with all the information...

Some 5 million people hold a government security clearance, according to a 2012 report by the Director of National Intelligence. About 1.4 million people have top-secret clearance, and half of those are the employees of private businesses.

Some 480,000 contractors held top-secret credentials as of last year, and 2,000 companies supply contractors to the intelligence agencies.

Are you anywhere near as concerned as me yet?

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ladybug

Jun-11-13 7:59 AM

Traitor !!!

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Phoenix

Jun-11-13 10:58 AM

NotSocialist, just curious, do you support the repeal of the Patriot Act and if so, did you support its repeal under President Bush?

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Beaumont

Jun-11-13 12:44 PM

NotSocialist will look up the Patriot Act to see what it was, then look out for the copy and paste.

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rpmwwe

Jun-11-13 1:27 PM

What's it going to take to convince you all that Obama and his administration are NOT good for this country? Do you not see where this is going? Obama is an extremist and always has been...just look at his history. Extremists, from either side of the political spectrum, are not good for this country. The only reason he was ever allowed to become a presidential candidate was to make Hillary look like a moderate by comparison, but for some reason, the Democrats fell in love with him instead and now we're all stuck with him.

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rpmwwe

Jun-11-13 1:27 PM

How many things has this guy done that he said he wouldn't do? How many things has he not done that he said he would do? You keep deflecting his issues with references to Bush. Why? Bush is irrelevant. He's out and has been out for over one full presidential term. When is Obama going to take ownership of his presidency? You voted for him twice. Great! You are now absolved of your sins. Now, quit making excuses for him and start demanding accountability. Otherwise, we are just a few short steps away from totalitarianism.

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ladybug

Jun-11-13 2:09 PM

What are you nuts ?

bush started this NSA thing,it has been approved by both congress and senate ever since,Get off the blame game s---

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ladybug

Jun-11-13 2:12 PM

If people like you and half the other nuts in Washington spent as much time doing the will of the people ,half our problems would be resolved,

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ladybug

Jun-11-13 2:15 PM

Bush is not out like it or not .His BS hasa carried over into the next Presidencie,

We'll be paying for alot of his screw ups for decades, Namely a war that was unwarrented

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Phoenix

Jun-11-13 6:00 PM

Not making excuses rpmwwe, just pointing out the hypocrisy of conservatives who had no problem with the authority the Patriot Act gave to the executive branch under the last administration but do under the present one.

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rentss

Jun-11-13 6:46 PM

Funny how low-information conservatives were ready to hang Bradley Manning, but see no problem with Snowden.

They're both traitors, and both should be hanged ASAP.

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Kozy62

Jun-12-13 8:04 AM

I believe, rents, you'll find that most "thoughtful" people want to know more before they just hang either person.

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Kozy62

Jun-12-13 8:29 AM

The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice. Proverbs 12:15

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notSocialist

Jun-13-13 6:29 AM

Hey, it's phoenix today! Sunshine tomorrow?

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notSocialist

Jun-13-13 6:30 AM

for Bleaumont and rent:

Headline: Obama Threatens Veto of Religious Protection for Military

"Breitbart News reported last week that Rep. John Fleming (R-LA) passed an amendment in the House Armed Services Committee protecting religious speech of service members in the military. President Barack Obama has now threatened to veto the bill if it passes the full House and Senate. "

breitbart.c om/Big-Government/2013/06/12/Breaking-Obama-Threatens-Veto-of-Religious-Protection-for-Military

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notSocialist

Jun-13-13 6:31 AM

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts it's exactly the other way around for you, right?

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Beaumont

Jun-13-13 7:17 AM

notSocialist Your last two post. What the*****does that have to do with anything? You are off the road again.

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rpmwwe

Jun-13-13 12:15 PM

"Not making excuses rpmwwe, ...."

I'm not suggesting the Patriot Act was altogether good as it certainly had some questionable elements. What I am pointing out is the hypocrisy of Obama who ran his campaign on being the opposite of Bush. Remember all the "transparency" his administration was going to have? If Obama is going to be just as shady, if not more, as Bush, then its going to be difficult to make an argument that Obama represents your principles better than Bush.

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Phoenix

Jun-13-13 1:00 PM

Never said Obama was perfect, but does he represent my principles better then Bush, yes. He's yet to invade a foreign nation, he's pushed for health care reform, equal rights for gays and women, and immigration reform, credit to Bush, he went against his party and also pushed for immigration reform. We no longer torture terror suspects or listen in on Americans phone conversations through warrantless wire taps.

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rentss

Jun-13-13 5:11 PM

I really have no idea what Notsocialist is talking about.

One thing that's clear is that both Kozy and Notsocialist care far more about the GOP than they do the country. That's the only explanation for their embracing a traitor who has also evidently leaked info about spying on China.

No offense, Kozy, but I'm not christian. Bible verses are about as important to me as paragraphs from a Harry Potter novel.

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Kozy62

Jun-13-13 7:05 PM

Rentss, whether you choose to believe or not has only an effect on you. If you read my posts on the subject, I said that I would like to find out more information before I would take a final position. I don't see what's wrong with that. What that has to do with the republican party is beyond me.

Maybe it would be best to slow down, check facts, read what's posted carefully and take a pill.

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Beaumont

Jun-13-13 8:04 PM

Harry Potter here Great post rentss.

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