I really don't know. The things that have come out are either a repeat of what concerned us back when the Patriot act was passed in the first place or his concern for all this info getting out. I would have to have more to determine the answer.
My big concern has always been that with government...if you trust a huge government like we have, your nuts. No matter how hard anything this big tries, there are going to be people who just can't keep a secret and our information could be given to others. Look at the IRS scandal.
Government has to be reduced to something way smaller.
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The other part of all this is trust. There are now seven scandals and growing. This administration has run amuck and therefore how can we trust them, no matter what they are telling us? And, could the next President be worse?
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Then you have paid contractors to add to the numbers with all the information...
Some 5 million people hold a government security clearance, according to a 2012 report by the Director of National Intelligence. About 1.4 million people have top-secret clearance, and half of those are the employees of private businesses.
Some 480,000 contractors held top-secret credentials as of last year, and 2,000 companies supply contractors to the intelligence agencies.
Are you anywhere near as concerned as me yet?
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NotSocialist, just curious, do you support the repeal of the Patriot Act and if so, did you support its repeal under President Bush?
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NotSocialist will look up the Patriot Act to see what it was, then look out for the copy and paste.
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What's it going to take to convince you all that Obama and his administration are NOT good for this country? Do you not see where this is going? Obama is an extremist and always has been...just look at his history. Extremists, from either side of the political spectrum, are not good for this country. The only reason he was ever allowed to become a presidential candidate was to make Hillary look like a moderate by comparison, but for some reason, the Democrats fell in love with him instead and now we're all stuck with him.
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How many things has this guy done that he said he wouldn't do? How many things has he not done that he said he would do? You keep deflecting his issues with references to Bush. Why? Bush is irrelevant. He's out and has been out for over one full presidential term. When is Obama going to take ownership of his presidency? You voted for him twice. Great! You are now absolved of your sins. Now, quit making excuses for him and start demanding accountability. Otherwise, we are just a few short steps away from totalitarianism.
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What are you nuts ?
bush started this NSA thing,it has been approved by both congress and senate ever since,Get off the blame game s---
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If people like you and half the other nuts in Washington spent as much time doing the will of the people ,half our problems would be resolved,
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Bush is not out like it or not .His BS hasa carried over into the next Presidencie,
We'll be paying for alot of his screw ups for decades, Namely a war that was unwarrented
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Not making excuses rpmwwe, just pointing out the hypocrisy of conservatives who had no problem with the authority the Patriot Act gave to the executive branch under the last administration but do under the present one.
Funny how low-information conservatives were ready to hang Bradley Manning, but see no problem with Snowden.
They're both traitors, and both should be hanged ASAP.
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I believe, rents, you'll find that most "thoughtful" people want to know more before they just hang either person.
The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice. Proverbs 12:15
notSocialist Your last two post. What the*****does that have to do with anything? You are off the road again.
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"Not making excuses rpmwwe, ...."
I'm not suggesting the Patriot Act was altogether good as it certainly had some questionable elements. What I am pointing out is the hypocrisy of Obama who ran his campaign on being the opposite of Bush. Remember all the "transparency" his administration was going to have? If Obama is going to be just as shady, if not more, as Bush, then its going to be difficult to make an argument that Obama represents your principles better than Bush.
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Never said Obama was perfect, but does he represent my principles better then Bush, yes. He's yet to invade a foreign nation, he's pushed for health care reform, equal rights for gays and women, and immigration reform, credit to Bush, he went against his party and also pushed for immigration reform. We no longer torture terror suspects or listen in on Americans phone conversations through warrantless wire taps.
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I really have no idea what Notsocialist is talking about.
One thing that's clear is that both Kozy and Notsocialist care far more about the GOP than they do the country. That's the only explanation for their embracing a traitor who has also evidently leaked info about spying on China.
No offense, Kozy, but I'm not christian. Bible verses are about as important to me as paragraphs from a Harry Potter novel.
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Rentss, whether you choose to believe or not has only an effect on you. If you read my posts on the subject, I said that I would like to find out more information before I would take a final position. I don't see what's wrong with that. What that has to do with the republican party is beyond me.
Maybe it would be best to slow down, check facts, read what's posted carefully and take a pill.
Harry Potter here Great post rentss.
First of all notSocialist, like it or not President Obama went through the proper channels and received a subpoena from the special court set up under the Patriot Act. Secondly, whatever gave you the impression that I support it under this adminstration? I've never supported it, most progressives don't, if you don't believe me check out msnbc, not a bunch of happy campers over there. Now, isn't it time you quit stalling and answer my question?
Oh no, Notsocialist, I see things quite clearly. And no, you don't really support this country. You support conservatives, but when you see someone who you think will prove embarrassing for a Democratic president, you'll immediately side even with a traitor. All you care about is the GOP.
It's the same with Kozy, he's just more educated and less extremist.
No, rentss, Phoenix, and Bob...Unlike others I know, I have voted for the person rather than only a republican. have certain values that can sway my vote but I spend a great deal of time making certain I vote for the candidate who seems best for the country. I enjoy debate and don't unfriend or un-follow a person because they are politically bent different than me. I also do not call names as that ruins any real debate.
You see, I'm not perfect and on some things you may be right (although rarely). And' if I agree with you I let it be known.
What I don't like is lying and false statements and there are far too many being bantered around. Please don't post something just because it was on MSNBC or Breitbart or Fox because they can be wrong. Check at least three sources from all directions ad then post...makes for a great debate my friends.
Now, truly...I don't believe that anyone who is posting here is anti-American or would, on purpose, hurt our Republic.
I do believe the current administration is having far too many issues with trust. I believe that is why so many are anti the taking of our information. Check the voting records on the Patriot act and you find almost everyone from liberal to conservative wanted this law. Can it be abused? Can it be used against us? Should "we the people" let our guards down no matter what political party holds the WH?
Now again, I believe it is wrong to give way secrets and it looks like this young man has...I just want to see what the facts are. Is that too much to want?
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