Oh, no...WatchDog is a great person and we agree on most things if not everything. But, "I" would just ask we all not get into a battle over the wrong things and for the wrong reasons. Really, nothing more than that and I purposely did not enter the actual fray...they were doing just fine without my two cents.
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Not sure I agree with you friend. I believe Watch dog did an awesome job against Mr. Mingus. She was cooler than I would have been. It was ridiculous what he said to her. She has a fan club where I work and some of my friends that are military wives and vets appreciate what she and some others on here talked about and stood up for. Nice job there Watch Dog. rpmwe you too. Nice to see some defending our Military.
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Those who run from those different are guaranteeing nothing will happen and maybe that's why they do it. Those who "just" call names don't really have anything to say.
No, Watchdog, you do not just call names and debate the subject very well...unless you let someone get under your skin. Well, as the Bible says, "dump" hot coals on their heads a just stick with the debate and leave those who are goading...goad away.
But, then again, who am I to tell anyone what to do?
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Calm reasoning usually works best and I think both parties should represent and nothing more...doing what "they".think is best for 'them" no matter what the Constitution says is why we're in trouble.
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Oh and Kozy, I have been calling the Republican bad names lately as well. They deserve it. If they don't get on that weed whacker soon and do something with that over grown growth free loading in the White House soon, I am going to buy a BIG LAWNMOWER with a mulcher and bag them boys up and sell them to some mean pig farmer!! LOL
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Kozy sweetheart, now you know I never call anybody any names until they start it first and pull my string without merit! Don't I get credit for at least that? <grin>
Besides, the only people I ever smack around hard is those in Government and THEY NEED IT! hehe
Call them like you see them!
No sneaking here, young lady...I just say what I believe. Much more could and is accomplished if we debate w/o calling names. That's where the President shows he really doesn't want to negotiate with anyone he disagrees with. He calls the republicans verybadpeople,scuzbags,evil,should be pushed off the cliff
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When Mingus and Biscuit react to those video's they play right into the hands of the enemy. Terrorists will use children as human shields and not even bat an eye. When those like Mingus and Biscuit react with those knee jerk reactions of "oh the horror" and atrocity by the troops... the terrorists are empowered.
"Being called a "war criminal" by those that have never been put into such an impossible position themselves only adds insult to injury."
That is what will fire up my temper faster than anything. It took everything I had NOT to tell Mingus what I was really thinking. I have to keep myself in check, knowing Kozy would sneak in here and throttle the name calling!
I despise terrorist sympathizers with a passion. When it comes to our troops, somebody referring to them as murderers will boil my blood quickly. I don't apologize for it. This Country and our troops come first...PERIOD. Manning is a traitor no matter how it is sliced or diced. I can't stand our Government. The distrust is real and evident. But how Manning did it...is not the way to do it. You don't jeopardize our troops and our National security like he did. What Manning did was an atrocity.
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First, agree w/Kozy's last comment about agreeing w/rpmwwe.
Next, I was wrong about Kozy too! I'm 0-3, truly gonna stop guessing.
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I would imagine those pilots now feel a certain darkness in their hearts after learning of the identities of those killed in this incident. That's a burden they will carry with them for the rest of their lives. Being called a "war criminal" by those that have never been put into such an impossible position themselves only adds insult to injury. Each and everyone of us should be thankful that we have those among us that are willing to serve and accept such a grim duty.
What is kozy...funny!
If it really matters, a Christian, husband, dad, grandpa, believer in the Constitution and it's freedoms and a person proud to call Salem my home town even though I have retired to Florida. That's me.
I will fight for our freedoms and against those who want to take them away. I believe in working hard to accomplish your hopes and dreams.
What else do you want to know?
You know, I am reading comments from people with differences but that still care. Most know I love this country but I know it's broken and must make a change in direction but why don't we work together. Can we all agree Manning did wrong? Can we agree his trial was fair? Can we also please agree not to call names?
Thanks rpm for your comments...well said. And thanks everyone for caring...it's a beginning.
Those like Mingus and Biscuit who viewed the video quickly got tunnel vision. All they seen in that video was the death of those journalists and those two children...nothing else mattered to them.
I agree with you rpmwwe, if that was the smoking gun they believe will put somebody behind bars...it will not happen.
I wasn't near as bothered by the loss of those two journalists and I know I will take a hit of being a cold you know "what" because of that statement. Sure it was sad they lost their lives but they know the dangers of their job, they had pre-warning to get out of that area. They accepted those risks by going into a combat zone all for the breath taking prize winning photo shot of the day.
You could spend hours picking apart that video. I think the one thing that caught my attention more than anything was how quickly that van showed up. They did what they did with our helicopters buzzing over head as if they all had a death wish called stupidity. War is not a pretty picture or a fairy tale mission. It is cold, ugly and never perfect. It’s kill or be killed.
rpmwwe when I first viewed the video right after Wikileaks put it out and their edited version with the drama cuts in between the video sequence, I pegged it propaganda then. I watched it through a couple of times and couldn't figure out what had everybody so upset. Sure I was saddened at the loss of those two children but my anger didn't boil because our troops shot them, my anger was at the morons who took them into a combat zone. That video portrayed it exactly what it was...a combat zone. Our troops didn't know children were in that van. When our military is in harms way, we can’t expect them to yell time out, land a helicopter and yell good guys to the right, bad boys to the left . And especially the one with RPG, you stay in the middle. It is ludicrous. Our boys had a job to do and that was to clear that area of all or any threats for ground troops moving in.
By the way, WatchDog and questioner, thank you for compliments on my previous comments. Those are always appreciated.
Sorry to have ruined your fun, but if that video was supposed to be the smoking gun, and the primary reason to start throwing the "war criminals" statements around, then I had enough. I couldn't keep quiet any longer. I could literally make 10 to 15 comments or more on that video, with each comment pointing out a facet of propaganda, but no one has challenged me and I know the rest of you are intelligent enough to see it on your own.
rpmwwe your assessment of that video was nicer than the one I was wanting to give after viewing it.
By the way...you ruined my fun with Mingus and Biscuit thank you very much! <grin>
When you made this comment: "There was no conspiracy, no cover up. There was a tragedy of errors, but it began and was perpetuated by the actions of those that were later perceived to be the "victims". Like I said, this video is just an anti-American propaganda piece, but it certainly has been effective as made evident in these comments."
YOU NAILED IT!!
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If there is nothing "wrong" with a person then there is no "treatment" to deny, and if the government is not denying someone of something s/he "needs" while in prison then there is no violation of civil rights, correct? The only way these people can make a civil rights case out of this argument is to say there is something "wrong" with Bradley and that doesn't serve their agenda. Oops!
These quotes came from a Huffpost article:
"Manning arrived at military prison in Fort Leavenworth, Kan., officials there said that they do not offer the hormone therapy that Manning has said she wants, and which accepted medical practice says could be used to treat her diagnosed gender dysphoria."
"The ACLU said in a statement following Manning's announcement that denying her treatment might violate her constitutional rights."
How much further do they need to go with this argument before they realize they have to say Manning (and other transgenders) are mentally ill?
Good points, rpmwwe.
I would like to know, from the Wikileaks diehard believers, why you trust them implicitly as truthful and unbiased? By virtue of why they leaked, they surely would slant things to make themselves look nobler.
Grant is relatively young, I assume Biscuit is too--are we back to the 60's where you innately distrust anything "mainstream", and therefore whoever is "anti-establishment" must be right?
This is really not an agree/disagree post, I truly would like to know why you believe Wikileaks must be accurate.
There was no conspiracy, no cover up. There was a tragedy of errors, but it began and was perpetuated by the actions of those that were later perceived to be the "victims". Like I said, this video is just an anti-American propaganda piece, but it certainly has been effective as made evident in these comments.
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