I didn't think it was possible to chug that much kool-aid between breaths.
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You're pathetic. Likening fellow citizens to terrorists in favor of communist style leadership.
DAY 2, America Held Hostage. We have learned a little more about the terrorist extremist holding America against its' will. Apparently, a small group within the Terrorists calling themselves the US House of Representatives, consisting of 20 to 30 members have been identified as Birthers, A very dangerous right wing extremist group. What this infiltration of the larger terrorist groups means, is unknown at this time. Whatever it is. It can't be good for America though. What we all need to know, is that, yes, while some people will suffer as a result of this terrorist action. No one is the top 1% is expected to be inconvenienced as a result of this hostage situation.
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Obummercare is probably here to stay. If it flops, both sides will blame the other anyways and the people will as aways go with the spin of their political party. All dems will call you a lier if you point out that this was all their baby. Just hope you have a pile of cash and a friend who's a surgeon; if costs become outrageous and there are waiting lines for weeks to see a doctor. But even then, the gov't will tax you if you choose to have no insurance at all. So save up your pennies. I just hope that the dems are right and this law works out ok, otherwise we're all scee rewed.
Everybody has their own set of facts and won't be budged an inch toward the other side. I have no idea what the truth is because of all the spin and all the childish actions and reactions. The real truth is in their somewhere but I have no time to go figure it out and it wouldn't do anything for me anyways. I'll just do like most americans; sit back and see what happens and hope the country doesn't go down the crap hole before I have a chance to grow old and die.
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If we had an entire Presidential election based on one singular issue then it shows how incredibly stupid the voting public is. However, the biggest issue during the presidential election was the economy, not Obamacare. In fact, we had the promise of repeal and replacement with Romneycare, which is what Obamacare was modeled after anyways. The sides weren't very far apart on that issue. What about the election in 2010, where Obamacare WAS the primary issue and republicans took the House back? All of those repubs that were elected were then expected to not go to Washington and fulfill the promises they made in their campaigns that got them elected?
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Grant, I never said you couldn't cut mandatory spending, just that this bill isn't about mandatory spending. This past election, the most recent, was pretty much a fight over obamacare, obamacate won. As far as which side is holding the government hostage, it's not the democrats making demands, they have what they want, obamacare is not only funded but the law of the land. Hostage takers are always the ones making damands.
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And the House passed it, lead by Pelosi and the Dems and then they lost their majority. What about that election? Are you still on this "you can't cut mandatory spending" nonsense? Because you can and they've proven it.
Mr. Romney ran on the promise to repeal obmacare, the president on the promise to uphold it, we know how that turned out and before you say people didn't know what they were getting in obamacare, remember how long ago it was passed into law.
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But Concerned, obamacare is already funded, it's part of mandatory spending, like social security. The Democrates are not fighting to fund it they're fighting for a clean bill, it's the Rebublicans who are holding the bill hostage in an attemt to defund it.
phoenix the house republicans are part of the government too. As far as I am concerned and a rather large percentage of Americans Obamacare should be defunded. One could say It is the democrats in the Senate that are the ones that are holding the government hostage until their pet program Obamacare gets funded. Guess it just depends on which way you want to spin it. : )
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Sorry concerned, got busy, didn't get to finish. What the house republicans have done is to insert anti-obamacare language into the bill in an attemt to delay and or defund it, thereby holding the government hostage to their demands.
It's a descretionary spending bill.
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Concerned, the spending bill currently being debated in congress does not include Obamacare funding, they shut down the government by not passing it, not Obamacare.
You ought to quit with the idea that we follow the Constitution because as a liberal, it surely doesn't jive with other stances that I imagine you would take--such as issues dealing with the 1st and 4th amendments.
False. In fact during the last shutdown they ESTIMATED that that was the financial impact on the economy because the government wasn't spending so that money wasn't going out into the private sector. What they omit from that is that the markets did well during the shutdown and the money that wasn't spent all ended up being spent in the long run anyways--therefore still making it's way into the private sector, just later than anticipated.
And that is how Congress works, but that doesn't mean the language of the bill originated where it should have. It isn't Constitutional. They never considered the origination clause when it was presented to the Supreme Court, so of course they didn't find that Constitutional. Passing legislation like that is clearly a violation and was never intended to be done that way, just because they do it doesn't mean it's right. We also used to allow slavery even though our founding documents claim every many is equal.
You people do realize that if the Supreme Court never changed it's mind on the "law of the land", Barack Obama would be a slave and not the President?
Grant, you're right, that is how it qualified as originating in the house, not the first bill to start out this way, won't be the last, that's how congress operates. The Supreme Court found nothing unconstitutional about it, not even Scalia. As far as the lost revenue goes, no I don't believe everything I read but I do respect historical fact and the last government shutdown, which lasted 27 days, cost 1.4 billion in lost revenue, that's 2 billion in today's dollars, fact.
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Pheonix With all due respect I never said Obamacare was a bill. I am quite aware that it is the law. But the instrument to fund it is currently a bill. I am not happy that Obamacare passed but it is a law. The thing about this country is the only law that can not be changed at will is the Constitution all other laws can be removed from the books with a stroke of the pen by elected officials. And if it is not funded it may as well not be in effect. On the other point. I am just having a hard time wrapping my head around how shutting down a portion of the government is going to cost money when they are saving the expense of running those dept. Seems to me if you pay out less you save money it is not costing you money. I think someone used some funny math to try to create situation that were not there. I don't mean you, I mean who ever put that idea out to start with.
Ummm...Obamacare originated in the Senate. There really is no question about that. The House passed a bill, HR 3590 I believe, it had nothing to do with healthcare. It went to the Senate, Harry Reid put it up for vote in the Senate after stripping the entire bill of the language the House passed and replacing it with Obamacare and it passed. That is how it "originated" in the House, therefore it didn't originate in the House at all. The Senate did the EXACT same thing under Bush when they passed TARP. Problem is, we don't have a GD Constitution anymore. There is no law of the land.
And about the 300 million. How is it that when a private company furloughs workers, they save money. Yet when the government does it, it costs money? Because they make up their own stats, that's why. You'll really believe anything you hear won't you Phoenix? Is there a rational, logical cell in your brain?
Concerned, with all due respect, Obamacare is a law not a bill, and as a bill it started in the house not the senate, as rumor has it. You don't think the the Supreme Court would have missed that detail when they ruled on it? As far as the 300,000 million figure goes, that's an estimate of lost revenue reported by CNN as well as various other organizations, busy day at work, can't find the CNN link at the moment but here are a couple others. www . dailykos . com /.../ - Republican shut... Or try www . huffington . com /.../ government
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