"Why did nobody address the FACTUAL information I presented?"
It was same boring context we have heard over and over and over on almost every news story on this subject. So what is there to address? We all gave our opinions then and answered with our views. Sorry if you just can't accept that.
As for Dr. Sanjay Gupta, the man should be grateful he isn't behind bars for what he did in New Orleans. Surgeon General candidate? That is a laugh, the Dems even turned on him.
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And look.. I won't give it a break, I may not change the minds of those here, but anyone else who reads it may actually glean a more well rounded opinion on the subject by seeing all angles. Giving it up because someone disagrees is the worst reason to give up. If I believe in something, I'll stand up for that belief even if it means upsetting "friends". If you can't stand up for what YOU believe in, then you have no grounds or reason to believe anything.
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Why did nobody address the FACTUAL information I presented? I love that people disagree with Dr. Sanjay Gupta's comments when they're 100% truth. The guy was a Surgeon General Candidate for goodness sake. How can you possibly debate your own opinion when you disregard factual information to suite your own perspective in every instance? You aren't allowing yourself to grow, you're perpetuating the same complacency that creates the very things you all complain about.
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notSocialist, I agree a million times over with you.
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Grant sez: ...instead of confronting the issue being debated?
I have gone back through every one of these comments Grant. Not one comment has be written and including my own that has stated ..." marijuana is MORE DANGEROUS than alcohol."
Now what? You want this discussion. What do you want to be pacified with next?
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What exactly are you shaking your head about? Or do you just find it convenient to try and criticize me instead of confronting the issue being debated?
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You brought it on yourself Grant. Sooner or later you will figure it out on how YOU have become your own worst enemy.
I am shaking my head in disbelief! I mean, really Grant?
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That's some incredible insight you provided there. You're a real benefit to the discussion.
"All it takes is a link to validate what you're saying."
She's probably thinking all it would take would be an arrest that would shut you up Mingus. Looks like Mingus mastered Google for dummies.
A guy that rents cranes trying to educate a Narcotics Drug Agent about drugs is like Honey Boo Boo trying to educate a Brain Surgeon.
Mingus your getting old man, like a broken record.
Aaaaaaand.. It's dead.
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I should also add that the same government in question will only sell you marijuana for a study that they approve. And people wonder why the results of the studies are skewed in one direction...they have a clear narrative and they can largely control every aspect of legal research.
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I think it's funny that a lot of you don't raise an eyebrow at the fact that you can buy marijuana to use for studies that is GROWN by the same government that claims it illegal, and the same government that you call on to lock people up for it.
I should also add that Marijuana is generally put in the "depressant" category, but the effects are so mild by comparison to alcohol or painkillers and the drug is so hard to classify as a hallucinogen that it can often be found in both categories. It doesn't fit the bill of any classification entirely.. Because it is nothing like the substances in the 3 main categories.
Well, she'll claim here that drug use is going down because it fits her narrative. However, in other arguments, she'll be an advocate for more law enforcement because the industry of illicit drugs has been growing for decades. When you have no substance, no real case as a foundation for you to stand on, and no sound principles, you'll say whatever you have to say, case in point.
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WatchDog, there are only 3 drug classifications used by the federal government.. Stimulant, Hallucinogen and Depressant. Marijuana is neither a stimulant or depressant and the "hallucinogenic" effects are attributed to changes in thought process while under the influence. Did you know that nutmeg is a hallucinogen? Don't put too much on your eggnog! Oh, dehydration and lack of sleep are also conducive to hallucinations. Caffeine has also been known to cause hallucinations.. It too is a drug, only it is classified as a Stimulant.. Just like cocaine or methamphetamine. Do you have kids? Are they treated for ADD or ADHD? Did you know the drugs they treat them with are synthetic amphetamine and methamphetamine? Funny how that goes.. Funny that drugs are legal when corporations and the government can profit through sales and tax...
Do you honestly believe that prohibition on this plant was ended in two states; partially ended in over 20 and specifically designated as MEDICINE, if it was more harmful than alcohol? You know that this plant was LEGAL at one point? Why do you think it became illegal? I'll give you a hint.. Not because its dangerous, but because of cultural and political difference. Today it remains in prohibition because it scares several industries including but not limited to pharmaceuticals, textiles and oil.. These are all industries that are deep in lawmakers' pockets. The war on drugs is a COMPLETE failure.. I really would love to see all these statistics on declining drug use that directly correlate to the war on drugs.
Dr. Sanjay Gupta (2009 candidate for SURGEON GENERAL)was interviewed and rose some interesting points. This is a guy who used to oppose the use of cannabis, and now he apologizing for even holding that belief. Dr Gupta believes that only about six per cent of studies into cannabis in the U.S. look at the benefits of the drug, while the rest investigate the dangers of it. As a result the evidence is unfairly skewed towards the view that the drug is harmful. He believes that it is too difficult for scientists to study the effects of marijuana as it is hard to access the drug, and hard to get approval for the research. He goes on to say that in the U.S. someone dies from a prescription drug overdose every 19 minutes while he was unable to find a single example of someone dying from a cannabis overdose.
Medicinal use has been legalized in 20 states, it's on the ballot for 4 more and it is also decriminalized in D.C. meaning possession amounts to nothing more than a civil citation.
PattiHannah, please cite the source that is providing your information. We're talking about a natural plant here.. The worst chemicals you'll find are the same ones you eat in fruits and vegetables everyday. The whole concept of it being "stronger" is a fallacy as well.. The difference is higher potency plants have been selectively bred.. JUST LIKE FOOD, for certain qualities and these plants are more abundant now. Please get your facts straight before making such hilarious claims.
Oh, and the cons vs. pros are exactly right. The exact reason being, because the number of studied aimed at producing a negative result rather than finding something real out are about 9 to 1.
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This is how I know which side is winning and which side is losing, the side basing their claims on lies will always lose in the end.
Heyyyy we found something else PattiHannah doesn't know anything about! 400 chemicals in a natural plant that is cut down, dried out and put into a jar for sale. She assumes it's like cigarettes, where they extract the tobacco from the ground and then add a bunch of garbage. But it's not. New strains come about different ways, most breeding plants together, not by adding chemicals LOL. And can someone provide links to crime increasing in Colorado, because I'm pretty comfortable assuming that I follow the news on this topic more than anyone here and I think you two are making that up. All it takes is a link to validate what you're saying.
OhBrother, That is exactly my point. You expressed concerns over making pot legal based on what might happen if your Doctor or mechanic began using it. Yet in your next post you say, " I like to think my Dr. and mechanic would be more concerned about making a huge mistake, getting sued and losing their license and livelihood than going to work stoned." That pretty much make null and void your previous objection to the legalization of Pot.
TripleD. I like to think my Dr. and mechanic would be more concerned about making a huge mistake, getting sued and losing their license and livelihood than going to work stoned. If they must do it, save it for the weekend at home when hopefully nobody's life is at risk.
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What Mr. Mingus hasn't shared with you. Specifically, within the last 20 years of these extensive studies that have been conducted worldwide. cons vs. pro. 9 to 1 ratio. Because of the 400 chemicals in marijuana and that number increases with every new strain.
Watchdog, that would be about the only accurate statement that is indisputable about the war on drugs. That is the number one problem. The drugs are not the problem, people are the problem.
But having said that there has been a huge success on the war on drugs make no mistake about it. justice.gov and the DEA has statistics that have been compiled for the last 20 years that have shown incredible decreases on drug use from schools to workplaces. Enormous amounts of statistics to support that statement, all available on those sites.
Your call on Colorado crime rising after legalization is spot on. The legalization has not reduced crime in that State. It has reduced adult arrests but now juvenile arrests are increasing for distribution, possession and use. That was predicted. Authorizing recreational use in the privacy of a home, the only place that it is actually legal, opened that door to easier access for children to get their hands on it.
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