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Facebook post leads to arrest for possessing stolen Greenford sign

December 31, 2013

GOSHEN TOWNSHIP— A Christmas morning Facebook post led to the arrest of a West Calla Road man for having a Greenford limits street sign. John A. Pifer, 21, 8320 W....

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ardsnarf

Jan-09-14 9:08 PM

After my last comment, I did some digging. With the exception of minor traffic tickets, only 1 of the 3 young men had any pervious charges, which was for underage possession of alcohol. Again, not a candidate for Scared Straight. At the most, I would have charged the one with the sign with Criminal Mischief (M1). I think the felony charge is a little much for this group/incident. If they were known burglars, that might be cause for the officer to impose the higher charge (as long as it meets the elements). In this case, I'm in favor of a reduced charge, cost of sign replacement as fine, and 40 hours of community service.

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ardsnarf

Jan-09-14 7:23 PM

justamom: yes, officers decide how and when, to charge (domestic violence being the exception.) I am unaware of how the costs of the sign(s) were calculated but I'm certain this isn't the crime of the century.The judge in Sebring is more than fair and will see this for what it is... a youthful indiscretion, providing the accused do not have priors. Being charge with a felony and being convicted of on-in this particular case-are two very different things.

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questioner

Jan-08-14 5:28 PM

Side question for ardsnarf or anyone: What's an LEO?

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questioner

Jan-08-14 12:28 PM

Yes, and do you think being lied to has an effect on that?

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justamom

Jan-07-14 9:11 PM

Cops make choices on how to charge individuals every day.

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justamom

Jan-07-14 9:09 PM

If the officer has no say how did the value of 11 signs become lower than the value of one sign. 11 signs were charged as a misdemeanor of a value of less than 500.00. This young man was charged with a felony with the value being over 300.00. Sounds like a choice to me because I find it very very hard to believe that one sign had more value than replacing 11 signs. And no that was not a plea, that was the original charge.

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ardsnarf

Jan-07-14 8:08 PM

Many of you forgot what it was like to be 20. I am a retired LEO, and know that the officer cannot arbitrarily increase (or reduce) the degree of a charge, the judge certainly can. Mailbox smashing was a big thing back when I was running the streets (as well as stealing road signs.) Glad adolescent stupidity didn't ruin my career trek.

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thebear402

Jan-04-14 8:32 PM

When I was in college, stealing a stop sign was a felony. Anything else went by dollar value of the stolen property.FYI

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bigbear300

Jan-03-14 6:46 PM

OSU600 if you take another look at the photo and the hand gestures you can see there's no shocker symbol. so go ahead and look on google and look up shocker symbol. maybe she's spinning a web. but I can tell you for sure there's no shocker symbol in this photo. nice accusation though.

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EATTHERICH

Jan-03-14 3:00 PM

how about 40 hours of community service.something physical,hard work.

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Justin84

Jan-03-14 2:13 PM

I am well aware of who created the political system as it stands. I am also aware of the ones to most abuse its every facet.

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Justin84

Jan-03-14 2:11 PM

Would you prefer i coddle them and enable them to continue on feeling enabled to do only as they please? Not working, doing drugs, living at home, having not one but multiple children unable to care for them, collecting welfare, etc. Perhaps it would epitomize my ignorance more to lump liberals as a whole as tit suckers? You cant seriously think i am the ignorant one here grant. I have an opinion, to which i am entitled. Back to your pedestal omnipotent one.

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GrantMingus

Jan-03-14 1:40 PM

Young generation of tit sucklers?! LOL

Look at anyone over 40. That is who created the political and economic environment that you live in. This is probably a different discussion for a different place, but pointing the finger at college aged kids and calling them government tit sucklers epitomizes your ignorance.

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Justin84

Jan-03-14 12:32 PM

I am aware of obamacare. And i dont think the insurable dependent age grants you adulthood. If i branch out on my own at 18 and get my own insurance does that make me an adult? Or i can remain a child until an age of my choosing until 26? I would like to see obamacare erased from history and the sucking leaches of this society dried out. However, as long as these young generations of tit sucklers continue their path we are unfortunately stuck with liberal leadership.

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Justin84

Jan-03-14 12:28 PM

Justamom, point taken. Im not a lawyer or a cop, so i would be foolish to say why its a felony. I would like to think the 11 signs was plead down. But i dont think the police in this case just said screw them make it a felony. There has to be some merit to it for the charge to stick

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questioner

Jan-03-14 10:41 AM

I also am sure these charges will be reduced. But if I were a cop and people out-and-out lied to me, I would probably be more inclined to initially charge them with a greater rather than a lesser charge.

To the mom with younger kids--do you take into account whether your kids own up to something they've done, or lie and lie about it, when you dispense discipline? Is the punishment the same or different?

Maybe that's a lesson these "young adults" need to learn too.

And as much as I hate to admit it, sometimes the "fear of God" (in this case, fear of prosecution) can help straighten out someone who really is a "good kid" and help keep them that way.

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justamom

Jan-03-14 9:24 AM

Y'all just don't get it. The charge does not fit the crime. Punish yes. Felony no. No one has yet explained how one sign has more value than 11 signs. They chose to bump it up to a felony. I will pray that no one you know makes a childish mistake and has to pay for it threefold. God bless all your closed minds to help you see the big picture. There are gray areas things aren't always black or white. Oh and if your young enough to be my grandchild go for it I wouldn't be offered being called grandma. Just as I'm certain my mother still calls my generation kids, because I'm just that to her, her kid. Never once did I call them minors because most of them are not.

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Justin84

Jan-02-14 8:38 PM

Thats like me calling everyone older than i am an old person. It would be rude of me to call you grandma.

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Justin84

Jan-02-14 8:35 PM

They are not adults until 26? Please do direct me to that one. Im pretty sure i became an adult at 18. Unless i just got lied to?

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justamom

Jan-02-14 8:31 PM

Well they are kids to me, but so is anyone that much younger. I know the charge is based on value. But you're telling me one greenford sign has more value than 11 street signs taken in one night. Those individuals were only charged with a misdemeanor. Probably plead down but possibly not. Not sure if these boys have lawyers or not.

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Justin84

Jan-02-14 8:07 PM

Maybe because she realized her friends were dracula and grizzly adams.

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Justin84

Jan-02-14 8:05 PM

And can we stop calling them kids? Arent they adults? Or at least the ones in trouble are. And i agree the derogatory remarks about the girls are unnecessary. There isnt anything in the picture to lead one to think they are drunk or easy to bed. However, i think the girl in the front looks like she loaded her pants. Just a though.

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Justin84

Jan-02-14 7:57 PM

Justamom, if you can argue about a dui being plead to a lesser charge, wouldnt it be wise to assume these guys will plead down their charges? It would be wise. And on the other hand, not all dv and resisting charges are misdemeanors. Their are other contributing factors. Like the sign, which has a value correct? Theft becomes a felony at a certain dollar amount, so receiving stolen property would probably level the same way right? And you dont get tickets for fender benders on private property when both parties are screwing around, so calling the police would be a waste of time.

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Justin84

Jan-02-14 7:52 PM

Grant, if the discussion is so beneath your standards why dont you go back to your pedestal, climb back up, and sit and criticize the people so far beneath you?

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justamom

Jan-02-14 5:11 PM

Domestic violence which I feel is a far worse crime is only a misdemeanor. Resisting arrest is only a misdemeanor. Reckless op which we all know is what drunks get their charges reduced to is only a misdemeanor. And actually a dui is only a misdemeanor. So please tell me how possessing a stolen street sign is a worse crime than any of those listed above. All of these I listed either harm or put people in harm's way. Standing with a sign of the name of a locality is not going to harm anyone. Charge them with a charge appropriate to what they are proven to have done. And unless you were at the party which I'm assuming consisted of more than those few individuals andunless you saw these specific people take the sign they may not have even taken the sign chances are they did but y'all are assuming things of people you have never met.

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